So, you think by buying a Beyond Meat Burger, you’re doing yourself and the environment a favor? Think twice. I took a look at the ingredients and here’s my honest review! 

You may have heard about that new Beyond Meat Burger.

This new plant-based burger that tastes and even bleeds like a real burger. If that isn’t enough to weird you out, I don’t know what is.

Weird as it seems to me, I’m much more concerned with the actual ingredients of this beyond meat burger. Especially when the product touts itself as not just healthy, but sustainable.

Is Beyond Meat actually healthy? Is it actually sustainable?

After taking a look at the ingredients, the answer is hell no. Not even close.

Let’s examine.

The original Beyond Meat burger:

Beyond Meat Is Beyond Unhealthy: an honest, unbiased review of this plant-based protein shows it's actually full of carcinogens.

The Beast Burger:

Beyond Meat Is Beyond Unhealthy: an honest, unbiased review of this plant-based protein shows it's actually full of carcinogens.

Grilled Chicken Strips:

Beyond Meat Is Beyond Unhealthy: an honest, unbiased review of this plant-based protein shows it's actually full of carcinogens.

Beefy Crumble:

Beyond Meat Is Beyond Unhealthy: an honest, unbiased review of this plant-based protein shows it's actually full of carcinogens.

There are many ingredients in these products that are both unhealthy and unsustainable.

Soy Protein Isolate

Processed soy is particularly bad. Whereas fermented, organic soy in small amounts (like natto) does not pose serious health risks, eating soy protein isolate will definitely take its toll on the body.

Some effects of soy include decreased libido, mood swings, depression, and several others.

This study from Harvard found that men consuming the equivalent of one cup of soy milk per day had 50% lower sperm count than men who did not consume soy. That includes even counting other factors like age, caffeine and alcohol intake, etc.

Just wait. There’s more.

This study found that soy stimulated the growth of estrogen-dependent tumors found in breast cancer. And this one found the same thing.

This study found that,

“…this pilot study indicates that prolonged consumption of soy protein isolate has a stimulatory effect on the premenopausal female breast, characterized by increased secretion of breast fluid, the appearance of hyperplastic epithelial cells, and elevated levels of plasma estradiol. These findings are suggestive of an estrogenic stimulus from the isoflavones genistein and daidzein contained in soy protein isolate.

Soy is high in phytic acid, also known as phytates. These phytates prevent the absorption of minerals like iron and calcium (among others). This can be particularly harmful, especially for children.

Additionally, soy is high in phytoestrogen (source). This can block normal estrogen, wich leads not just to hormonal imbalance, but even breast cancer.

Note: this is why my periods were so heavy, painful and irregular when I was a vegetarian as a teen.

The processing that soy protein isolate undergoes is also a huge cause for concern.

Dr. Mercola describes the process,

“Soy protein isolate is not something you can make in your own kitchen. Production takes place in industrial factories where a slurry of soy beans is first mixed with an alkaline solution to remove fiber, then precipitated and separated using an acid wash and, finally, neutralized in an alkaline solution.

Acid washing in aluminum tanks leaches high levels of aluminum into the final product. The resultant curds are spray- dried at high temperatures to produce a high-protein powder.”

Canola Oil

Watch this video:

To sum up the video:

The rapeseeds are first highly pressurized, forcing out the oil. To extract the last of the oil, the canola cakes undergo a 70-minute wash with a “chemical solvent.” This chemical solvent, my friends, is hexane. A neurotoxin.

Then the oil enters the refining phase, in which the oil is washed with sodium hydroxide, a.k.a. lye. After this, the oil is clearer but still contains waxes.

In addition, the oil is cooled to 41 degrees to filter out the wax. After this, the oil is bleached to remove the color. Then comes “a steam injection heating process to remove the odor.”

One tablespoon of canola oil contains 2,610 mg of omega-6 fatty acids and 1,279 mg omega-3 fatty acids. That’s a lot of omega-6, which causes inflammation.

While it’s true that our bodies need omega-6, it’s in everything.

Fans of canola oil love to tout the omega-3 to omega-6 ratio, but it’s still a lot of omega-6. Plus, the omega-3 found in canola oil isn’t even beneficial (as opposed to omega-3s found in foods like fish).

The omega-3s found in canola oil are ALA, alpha lipoic acid. ALA does not convert well to EPA or DHA, which are the beneficial omega-3s that protect the brain, heart, and heart health.

So promoting the omega-3 content in canola oil is redundant – the omega-3s in canola oil do not contain the beneficial EPA and DHA.

Caramel Color

Don’t confuse this with actual caramel (made of cream and sugar). This substance contains ammonia and sulfites.

You can find caramel color in soft drinks like Coke or Pepsi. Johns Hopkins did a study on the caramel color found in these drinks and determined that it is indeed a carcinogen.

“Soft drink consumers are being exposed to an avoidable and unnecessary cancer risk from an ingredient that is being added to these beverages simply for aesthetic purposes,” says Keeve Nachman, PhD, senior author of the study and director of the Food Production and Public Health Program at the CLF and an assistant professor at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health “This unnecessary exposure poses a threat to public health and raises questions about the continued use of caramel coloring in soda.”  Source

Yeast Extract aka Monosodium Glutamate (MSG)

MSG hides under many names and yeast extract is one of them. MSG is an excitotoxin, i.e. it overstimulates the nervous system.

From The University of Toyama in Japan,

“We previously reported that injection of monosodium glutamate (MSG) in ICR mice leads to the development of significant inflammation, central obesity, and type 2 diabetes. To directly address the long-term consequences of MSG on inflammation, we have performed serial analysis of MSG-injected mice and focused in particular on liver pathology.

By 6 and 12 months of age, all MSG-treated mice developed NAFLD and NASH-like histology, respectively. In particular, the murine steatohepatitis at 12 months was virtually indistinguishable from human NASH. Further, dysplastic nodular lesions were detected in some cases within the fibrotic liver parenchyma.

We submit that MSG treatment of mice induces obesity and diabetes with steatosis and steatohepatitis resembling human NAFLD and NASH with pre-neoplastic lesions. These results take on considerable significance in light of the widespread use of dietary MSG and we suggest that MSG should have its safety profile re-examined and be potentially withdrawn from the food chain.”  Source

This study linked MSG with headaches and increased blood pressure.


Carrageenan is a harmful additive that all but says it’s going to f*ck you up. From The College of Medicine at University of Iowa,

“Although the International Agency for Research on Cancer in 1982 identified sufficient evidence for the carcinogenicity of degraded carrageenan in animals to regard it as posing a carcinogenic risk to humans, carrageenan is still used widely as a thickener, stabilizer, and texturizer in a variety of processed foods prevalent in the Western diet…

Review of these data demonstrated that exposure to undegraded as well as to degraded carrageenan was associated with the occurrence of intestinal ulcerations and neoplasms

…Because of the acknowledged carcinogenic properties of degraded carrageenan in animal models and the cancer-promoting effects of undegraded carrageenan in experimental models, the widespread use of carrageenan in the Western diet should be reconsidered.”

And from the Department of Medicine at the University of Illinois at Chicago,

“This is the first report of the impact of carrageenan on glucose tolerance and indicates that carrageenan impairs glucose tolerance, increases insulin resistance and inhibits insulin signaling in vivo in mouse liver and human HepG2 cells. These effects may result from carrageenan-induced inflammation. The results demonstrate extra-colonic manifestations of ingested carrageenan and suggest that carrageenan in the human diet may contribute to the development of diabetes.”

From yet another study,

“…carrageenan was supplied in the drinking fluid at 1.2 and 3% concentrations over two weeks to young adult guinea-pigs. Ulceration of the large bowel was produced in 100% of animals, the severity and extent of damage probably being dose-related.” Source

Titanium Dioxide

Yet another carcinogen.

French researchers performed a study in which they gave rats an oral dose of titanium dioxide for 100 days:

“Their results determined that chronic oral exposure led to a non-malignant stage of carcinogenesis, the process of normal cells becoming cancer cells, in 40 percent of exposed animals.” Source

In addition, other studies have linked inhalation of titanium dioxide to cancer. Why would someone inhale an ingredient in these plant-based burgers? It’s also in paint.

A word on sustainability.

How did we get to this point? To the point where people think that eating a “beyond meat burger” created in a lab, with of toxic ingredients – is sustainable?

You know what’s sustainable?

Supporting your local farmers. GRASS-FED MEAT IS SUSTAINABLE. There is a relationship between land and animals. They need each other to thrive. Animals feed the land. They nourish it.

When this happens, farmers can grow plenty of nutrient-rich produce.

Furthermore, this process literally builds topsoil, which is necessary for a healthy environment.

Supporting your local farmers ensures that your food isn’t traveling thousands of miles to reach you. Consider the gas, the emissions, the resources used for this Los Angeles based fake meat product to reach someone in Michigan, Louisiana or Washington, DC.

Soy and canola are two of America’s largest scale mono-crops. Farmers grow them on thousands of acres of land doused with pesticides. There are no animals. Soy is not sustainable.

farmers market stand with fresh vegetables and fruit

To sum up this Beyond Meat Burger Review: Here is true sustainability:

Buy your food locally, from farmers. Buy food that is in season. Grow a garden in your backyard. Raise chickens. Buy meat and seafood grown responsibly.

Go to the farmers market. Join a buying club. Do not buy man-made food-like products like Beyond Meat. Cook from scratch. Know where your food comes from.

Thanks to Beyond Meat for letting me use their photos. Some paragraphs from studies have been separated to make them easier to read.

So, you think by buying a Beyond Meat Burger, you're doing yourself and the environment a favor? Think twice. I took a look at the ingredients and here's my honest review! #healthyfood #dieting #fitness #beyondmeat
So, you think by buying a Beyond Meat Burger, you're doing yourself and the environment a favor? Think twice. I took a look at the ingredients or this meatless burger and here's my honest review as a holistic nutritionist! #healthyfood #dieting #fitness #beyondmeat


  1. Matthew Pickering Reply

    Just so we are clear…the author is recommending that eating grass-fed beef is a healthier than the Beyond Meat alternative ?
    Scientific evidence has been accumulating for decades that cancer is more common among people who eat red meat and processed meat.
    This article contradicts both scientific evidence and logic. I agree that the ingredients contained within the Beyond Meat patties are harmful as well, however compared to consuming actual meats, the risk of contracting a number of diseases is dramatically reduced by maintaining a plant based diet.
    Your argument against sustainability is absurd on an encyclopedic level. A overwhelmingly large percentage of the corn and soy grown in this country is used as feed for livestock industry.
    I willing to bet is funded by the processed meats industry.

    • dani Reply

      It’s abundantly clear that I’m recommending that eating grass-fed beed is healthier than Beyond Meat. While I agree that eating processed meat is unhealthy and problematic, there is no legitimate study that proves that eating grass-fed meat in addition to plant based foods (veggies in particular) is even slightly unhealthy. It literally does not exist.

      Re: corn and soy grown for livestock – I addressed that, you’re ignoring this I suppose? I clearly recommend avoiding this meat in favor of local, grass-fed meat. Let’s not ignore the fact that millions of plant based eaters are eating this same corn and soy that they complain about being fed to livestock. It’s hypocritical and ignorant.

      Also I’d be a lot richer is I were funded by the processed meat industry, but considering how regularly I bash them, it’s idiot to even suggest this.

      • There’s not enough space in the world to feed everyone with grass-fed beef. For the US alone, you’d need the whole US, parts of Canada and Mexico to feed the US with grass fed beef, so that doesn’t fit at all. That’s why factory farming is a necessity if you want to feed people meat –> 80% or sth from the worlds soy and corn. Emissions from cows especially are crazy in terms of methane and CO2 and water use. How is that sustainable again? 1 kilo of cow protein amounts to 1,000 kg of CO2 emitted (NY Times or the Economist); for chicken and pork these numbers are far far lower. That means that 13.1 kg of beef equals flying to Thailand from the Netherlands. The NY Times states that eating veggies from Argentina totals less emission than eating local meat. So please, please do research on the actual numbers before you state that something is sustainable. Oh, and by the way, red meat is a recognized carcinogen so there should be research on that it is unhealthy, and there’s countless studies that do not find any harmful side effects of soy. And maybe the beyond burger isn’t healthy, but a regular hamburger isn’t either, and it’s definitely not sustainable.

        • dani Reply

          Hi Emma, it’s hard to comprehend this incoherent rambling – some B12 (from grass-fed meat) would improve your concentration.

          But let’s break try to break this down. I understand that you’ve watched Cowspiracy and now fancy yourself and expert.

          There’s more than enough land for grass-fed beef. There’s 2.3 billion acres of unused land in the US alone. You can put 80 cows to acre per day (fact, from actual farmers who do it: There are about 94 million cows in the US. You do the math.

          Re: grass-fed beef and CO2 emissions, you’re wrong again. Educate yourself, it’s actually really interesting:

          To say that red meat is a carcinogen and soy isn’t is completely false. There is no single study EVER done on grass-fed meat proving it to be cancerous. It LITERALLY does not exist. Whereas hundreds, if not thousands, exist proving soy can be carcinogenic.

          See here:

          Literally all of the studies I just provided link soy to cancer.

          Not to mention that pasture based farms are AMAZING for the environment. They sequester CO2, they nourish the soil, they prevent and reverse desertification.

          You are not an expert. You literally have no idea what you’re talking about. Please do not tell me to do more research when you’ve done none.

          • Nice government studies & one from this site, lol, credible

          • dani

            I linked to various studies performed by a plethora of organizations so your comment makes absolutely no sense. Glad to see you’re ignoring all of that.

          • that’s funny, are you calling yourself an expert? probably pride yourself on being a grammar nazi too, to feel “smart”. also, idiot, that is not the only way to get B12. this is too funny. Also, nice attempt to be snarky to someone who is much more intelligent than you. You’re the only incoherent one on this page, my dog would’ve understood get a life. speaking as someone who has graduated from Harvard with a 4.0 and honors as a nutritionist (now on salary making probably more than you’ll ever see in your life in the span of a year), you are dead wrong. there are so many academic journals written on research conducted by hundreds of panels of scientists who conduct actual experiments (are you familiar as to what those are? they constitute evidence) but seeing as you are too unintelligent to be able to understand data and scientific writing, here I have posted a link to literally the first website among millions out there finding links with red meat and cancer. You’re so credible. (hope you got the sarcasm love). What exactly are your credentials? Have you conducted or read on research from credible academic sources created from compiled, RECENT data from thousands of subjects per study? If you ever get off your likely large derriere and can muster up the strength without too much meat sweat going on then definitely give this a look and maybe learn to browse academic journals in a database. I’d post links from Harvard, MIT, UC schools, other universities but you have to be enrolled to access a true database. oops.


          • dani

            I’m gonna let this comment speak for itself.

          • William Craytor

            You can put one cow on one acre for 80 days and then take it off that acre and let the grass grow back. Or, you can put 80 cows on one acre with high grass for one day and then take them off for 80 days for the grass to grow back, and let nature digest all that cow shit they deposited in that one day.

            The implication that you can keep 80 cows on that acre day after day, is misleading bullshit.

          • dani

            1) It doesn’t take grass 80 days to grow. Even if it did, there’s still enough land for grass-fed animals.
            2) That “cow shit” feeds the soil, builds topsoil, sequesters carbon, imparts nutrients into the soil, creates a healthy microbiome, etc.

          • Ran across this post the Vege warriors are strong in here.. Do they remember we killed off 30 million buffalo 100 yrs ago to make way for our little farms across the grasslands? Being carnivore now for awhile i’m simply amazed at my health being 51. Don’t even think about food most days. Eat a steak… Pretty easy diet.

            Its in our DNA to eat meat obviously since big fake food is working so hard to re create it in a factory…

            Notice we have wild pig and wild deer over population’s? They literally multiply and cause chaos unless they are hunted to control populations… Controlled hunts are part of management.. Why do they over populate, HMM?

            PS And go for a hike- Look for a plant to that eat that grows naturally in any abundance. Never ran across a carrot in the forest… Vegetables don’t exist naturally without humans dreaming them up… (Naked and Afraid show also comes to mind)

          • Dani – very good article. But I’ve never seen so many mis-led and manipulated idiots on one board before. Emma above takes that cake. Talk about being a moron to the media and believing in their propaganda. (you’re actually quoting the NY Times and Economist??) Wow! And it doesn’t stop. Many here are accusing you of condoning eating red meat when all you wanted to do to get through their thick skulls-the difference between real meat and plant based bullshit.
            I’m sorry but let these puppets believe what they are told by the same corporations and advertisers that promote plant-based toxins. I do like your point about the vegans being hypocrites as they are against animals eating corn and soy, but they will eat it! Brilliant!

          • Plus. all humans and animals and plants need CO2 to live. Keep believing the shills who tell you it’s poisonous.

          • Clearly, Dani is an asshat, clownshoe shill for the meat industry or, just wildly ignorant and stupid. Sure, Beyond Burgers and some other plant-based ‘meats’ aren’t super healthy to ingest. HOWEVER, neither is most meat, ESPECIALLY red meat, grass-fed or not. Dani is LYING to us. Just one example of a VERY balanced take on red meat consumption (of thousands that are ridiculously easily found) that backs this up:
            Further, Grass-fed Meat-Industry shill and author of this crap Dani is SO ignorant and so disingenuous as to miss, or just flat out lie to us. As bad as some ‘conventional’ crop farming is on the environment (and thus, OUR BODIES, from an external angle inward, just not via the mouth as food), raising animals, especially cows, buffalo, etc is TERRIBLE. Cow methane produces 23 TIMES more pollutant than the world’s autos in use today. And, soy and corn are still plants, still actually perform some small task in cleaning our air while they are growing, at their leaves act as filters.

            Further, Dani, you completely ignore the pain, suffering and death of all of the animals you advocate we unleash on every square inch of Earth to feed greedy slob humans who can’t get hip to organic tofu, mushrooms, beans and other much better alternatives.

            It’s too bad we have dickheads writing crap articles to prop up a fading industry with lies. This COULD have been a great article to critique what in plant-based land still needs work. It’s true that we need to health-up a lot of the offerings. However, taken holistically (look it up, Dani), plant-based wins almost every time. That’s why the UN just implored everyone to get off animal-based foods to save us and our environment on this planet. Wake up, Dani. Be more responsible and honest. Geesh.

          • dani

            Your anger is a thin veil over your insecurities surrounding a plant based diet. I used to get mad at people when I was vegan too. Granted I was 16 and had better arguments (that didn’t resort to name calling).

        • This argument is fairly irrelevant. All food choices should be local. I have plenty of options for local sustainable meat to feed myself while I have no clue how far the ingredients in my beyond meat burger have come from. And if it was so sustainable why is it 2x the cost of beef?

          • dani

            Great point! We should all be buying local!

      • “Like”…no “love”.

        Thanks for this article. They are not being transparent about their product.

      • Jen Lockett Reply

        In addition to claiming carcinogenic red meats as healthy, you also print the misinformation that grass-fed beef is sustainable. It’s perhaps worse than factory farms, depending on what you look at.
        Yes, less methane is produced than cows eating outside of their natural diet. However, where do you imagine all this beef comes from? Free-range cattle need a lot of space. Do you see them frolicking on farms with green pastures? Maybe a few. Most cattle are free-range on public lands.
        With a non-native species in forest lands or plains and meadows come into the environment, they displace native prey. When they displace that prey, apex predators eat the cows because there is nothing else to eat.
        Where I live one rancher has been responsible for the deaths of three entire wolf packs (including pups). The last pack to be slaughtered by the state had cows on salt licks planted yards away from their den. He does this on purpose because he hates wolves.
        He grazes his cattle on our lands to feed his cattle at only $10 an acre. So taxpayers are essentially subsidizing your meat habit. It gets worse. After predation occurs 3 times by the same pack, they are given a death sentence. It costs taxpayers $20,000 per wolf killed on behalf of the rancher who has had his cattle killed. The state also reimburses him for the dead cattle. That endangered species are killed so people can eat their steaks and burgers incenses me.
        Not only are people who eat meat responsible for the destruction of beautiful animals like wolves, cougars, bears and other predators, the taxes I pay are subsidizing the irresponsible, gluttonous diet of so-called paleo lifestyle adopters. I eat a plant based diet because it is the only sustainable diet to eat. People who eat meat have to face the fact that their diet is responsible for species becoming extinct or being pushed to the brink of it. I’m so sick of these blogs with pseudo-science proclamations of what’s healthy for human beings to eat with no regard for the impact of eating meat upon the world we live in and the true costs of it. Some say ignorance is bliss. I say ignorance is privilege.

        • dani Reply

          You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. You could not be more misinformed.

          1 – Cattle are free ranged on public lands? I’m guessing you’ve never been to an actual grass-fed farm or even met a farmer. Cows roam on their farmer’s land. Who do you think takes care of these cows? The farmers. The hard working men and women who care about these animals. They’re not grazing next to parking lots owned by the government. That makes no sense at all.

          2 – You think cows are grazing in forests? They graze on grasslands. That’s kind of the point. They nourish the land with their manure.

          3 – Your wolf story is entirely anecdotal and makes no sense so I really have no idea what you’re talking about.

          4 – The taxes you pay subsidize wheat, soy, corn and canola. This is why processed food is so cheap. This is a fact, something your comment lacks. Americans pay $246 billion per year to subsidize these monocrops that are vegan staples:

          5 – You want to talk about displacing native species? What do you think plowing and clearing and adding chemical fertilizers to millions upon millions of acres of land to make vegan proteins and staples does? It takes a lot more space to grow these massive monocrops that vegans gobble up, and I assure you that it kills more animals that eating a local diet that includes grass-fed beef.

          6 – Millions, if not billions, of animals are killed every year so vegans can eat while ignoring the fact that their food left a trail of blood they can ignore because they have no idea where their food comes from.

          7 – Vegans are so disconnected from their food and nature that you forget a few simple facts: for you to live, something must die. Animals nourish the land. Without animals, we are left with chemical fertilizers that cause dead zones in the Gulf Of Mexico the size of Delaware. These chemical fertilizers destroy the soil. Monocrops, the staples of vegan diets, kill millions of and displace animals.

          • Wow! Cows do roam the forest and they do roam public land. Its called a grazing lease. This guy has no brains and no sense. Also has no idea what it takes to farm any animal. Coming from someone who actually has cow farming friends and also own my own livestock. You should really find out the facts before spouting off buddy!

          • dani

            The amount of cows in forests and public land are minimal. Incredibly minimal. The vast majority are on farms.

            Also, I’m a woman. I’m not really sure how it’s possible to visit my website and not make this distinction.

        • I find it funny how all of these comments supporting plant based garbage ignore all of the facts. The nutritionist above went to a government funded school, being taught old school ideas. Our society hasn’t caught up with the data yet. You need to eat way more plants to fill your belly than you do meat. The amount of space you need to cultivate and level off is huge. That is lots of land to be de forested, displacing animals and cause soil erosion over time. (If you knew how your plants were grown, and the implications on the environment, you would probably not eat them). Also, the fact that many many insects and animals are chopped up in your farmers rotitillers, and killed by insecticide every day doesn’t seem to bug you. So long as you can pretend that no death is involved in the practices used, you can rest easy in the dilusion that you and your diet are superior to others.
          If you do some research, it doesn’t’ take much digging at all to understand what anti-nutrients are (the ones found in every plant you eat), because we are not supposed to be eating them. Cucumbers were poisonous only a couple hundred years ago, straw berries were inedible, because they were too small, hard and bitter to consume. What else… I mean i could go on about how basically every fruit or vegetable you eat has been genetically modified. To me that clearly shows that plants were never intended to be eaten.
          I am very scared for our population and society in the future. Mental and physical health are at threat to diminishing even more.
          And can any vegans answer the question “if you don’t believe in eating meat, why do you need to process plants, into something that resembles or tastes like meat…? if meat is so disgusting, why would you ingest something that. Why wouldn’t you stay the farthest away from anything resembling meat… ?
          I think we all know the answer here. Because meat is freaking delicious. Because we are supposed to eat it. Because you are lacking the essential nutrients that only meat can provide. (Yes everything has protein and this and that, but none of those plant based sources assimilate or get abosrbed by the body.
          Can anyone else tell me why you think a plastic jacket or couch, that falls apart and is basically garbage in 1 year, is better for the environment than a leather couch. A couch that takes way less resources and lasts way longer… that won’t end up in a landfill in 1 year. ??
          Also, one more thing i just thought of. Vegans like to blame meat industry for all of the methane. While i dont disagree, factory farming, and feeding cows things they shouldn’t be eating is the main problem, but have you considered that every thing that dies releases methane? Meaning plants. Plants that are laying around rotting. Hell, do you realise that when you eat meat more, you shit less. All the vegans out there shitting out all of the fibre they can’t digest 10 times per day are probably contributing to all of the methane..
          I would say just do some research, but you won’t….
          This beyond meat garbage is beyond frustrating..

          • dani

            So, so many good points. One of my favorites:

            “Also, the fact that many many insects and animals are chopped up in your farmers rotitillers, and killed by insecticide every day doesn’t seem to bug you. So long as you can pretend that no death is involved in the practices used, you can rest easy in the dilusion that you and your diet are superior to others.”

            You couldn’t be more spot on. Thank you so much for this comment!

      • so eating corpses of abused and sick animals is way better. What a joke!
        Grass-fed where and does that make it ok to support the cruel meat industry?? doesn’t

        • dani Reply

          Grass-fed farmers and the meat industry are two completely separate industries.

          • Robertus

            Dani, just give up. Too many people know red meat is bad for you and you’re going the opposite way. Whoever funds you is gonna die eventually.

          • dani

            I fund me. And I’ll never give up.

      • We’re not eating a damn burger to be healthy. Vegan have a choice to enjoy a burger without MURDER ! That’s the point. So yea fuck it I won’t eat it all the time but at least I’m not eating an animal

        • dani Reply

          This idea shows just how disconnected from nature so many vegans are. It’s a simple fact of life that for you to live and eat, something must die. You don’t consider the amount of animals killed to grow massive monocropping operations, the amount of animals displaced by the sheer volume of land it takes to grow these monocrops, the trillions of organisms killed by the pesticides sprayed on these crops.

          I assure you, animals are killed for your meals.

      • You’re an idiot. Why dont you look and see what is in the beef and meats you eat. I couldnt even read through your idiot bonehead write up. Beyond burgers are still a much better and healthier alternative than any factory grown concentration camp meat product.

      • “even slightly unhealthy” Oh really, there are literally DOZENS of studies that show meat consumption is the main cause of heart disease and diabetes as well as a significant cause of cancer, stroke, alzheimer’s, auto immune diseases and more. This article is complete BS! Check out the link above from the foremost Doctor in the world on nutrition: Dr. Greger

        • dani Reply

          And yet, you’re unable to provide a single study that demonstrates how grass-fed meat is in any way even slightly unhealthy. Lil’ tip: that study does not exist.

          • this article is 2 years old and youre still replying to comments with your attitude. this is the saltiest blog of all time. might want to check your sodium.

      • Dani,
        I am in total agreement with you regarding beyond meat. If you are a vegan I wouldn’t recommend eating beyond meat products. It’s always better to eat fresh fruit and vegetables than eating this stuff. If you want to eat meat such as beef be sure it is grass fed and grass finished and organic. Many benefits from eating grass fed and grass finished beef.

        • dani Reply

          Yes! I only recommend grass-fed, organic meat from local farmers. Something that a lot of people apparently did not read in the article (I’m lookin’ at you, angry vegans!).

          • DANI Keep up the good work. It is obvious the naysayers don`t truly read what you write. They all seem to miss the fact that you are telling them to eat truly organic meat, not the crap fed animals. They only see and retain what gives them an opening for an argument. I keep reading and hearing (from various sources) that the world produces enough food to feed the entire world and still have lots left over. I imagine that if all the food (vegetation and meat)were grown without all the crap, the earth would be able to feed the entire population using less space because of the land not getting destroyed by various chemicals. What frightens me is the inability for the people who eat all these chemical laden foods to grasp the truth….peoples mental abilities are being `dumbed down`.
            Anyway, thanks for your research and caring enough to share. Keep up the good work.

          • dani

            Yes! So many people haven’t read the article at all. It’s incredibly frustrating. There’s a HUGE difference between factory farmed meat and grass-fed, small, organically farmed cows. Thanks for your comment!

      • For Sustainability can anyone tell how many lbs of edible plant material it takes to make 1 lb of beyond Meat? What happens to the waste material? Then the question has to be asked: Are we taking food away from the poor to feed to the elite?

    • I think she is right there is something in them that is unhealthy. I have 4 stage kidney disease. Every time I ate a burger my blood pressure spiked. The ingredients show 380 mg of sodium which is low enough that I should be able to eat. But something is wrong because my blood pressure is through the roof and I am swollen up. They need to take them off the market.

    • Rachelle Allee Reply

      Listen, grass fed meat is not necessarily bad for you. I am a vegetarian and I know this as a fact. Most Americans eat meat with/for every meal of the day. If you have meat once a week or a few time in a week then it definitely has beneficial aspects to it. Consider that meat has necessary B-12 vitamins that otherwise would have to be extracted in a lab to be added as a supplement. You can buy sustainable meat products but like the author said, it should be local. Nearly all of the meat sold in stores come from a factory farm thousands of miles away from your home and are given hormones, antibiotics, and preservatives and are processed to be unhealthy. Factory farms also ruin topsoil, emmit methane that is a major cause of global warming, and usually intale very inhumane practices. Look into local farms that slaughter humanly and feed healthy diets to their animals.

      • Hahaha, humanely slaughtered. Really? How about I kill someone you love or that is close to you by putting them to sleep. That’s humane. Taking the life of an animal isn’t humane. It just isn’t. There are arguments for both sides but let’s not be ignorant of facts.

        Also the author of this blog responds like a little child being told off. It’s very off-putting…

        • dani Reply

          Steve, what you fail to realize is that whether you eat vegan or you eat meat – something dies. Do you eat tofu? What about wheat, corn or canola? Entire species of animals have gone extinct from the growth of these crops. Millions upon millions of animals have been displaced because of these crops. Entire deadzones in the Gulf have been created because of these crops, killing off billions of sea life.

          So yeah, I choose the humanely slaughtered cows. You choose the inhumanely slaughtered species that you don’t see, so you can ignore where your food comes from and assume you’re not participating in the death of animals because you have no connection to nature or where/how your food was raised.

          My responses are “off putting?” Clearly you’re not used to a woman standing her ground and fighting for what she believes in.


      There is no soy in this product and this article contains so many falsehoods that one can only suspect it was sponsored by the beef industry.

      • dani Reply

        This accusation is so asinine. How exactly would the “beef industry” sponsor me?

        ALSO if you even read the article, I do not support or encourage anyone to eat meat from factory farms. I am vehemently against factory farmed, industrialized animal production. Did you not bother to read that part of the article?

        I clearly state people should be buying meat from local, organic, grass-fed, family farms. So is it small families who can barely afford to get by that are
        “sponsoring” me?

        This should go without saying, but please have the mental wherewithal to actually read the article in its entirety prior to commenting.

        • It is hilarious that you are accusing everyone here who doesn’t eat meat of being ignorant to the effects of monocropping and telling us that we are killing animals too, we just don’t see it. You advocate for local grass-fed beef consumption but have you taken a moment to consider that perhaps most of us who are vegetarian because we care about the environment and the humane treatment of animals are also buying local and organic produce that is sustainably farmed? I grow my own vegetables, no animals are dying to feed me in the summer. In the winter I buy local fruits and vegetables. I don’t believe another animal has to die to sustain my family.

          • dani

            Betsy, I sincerely doubt that you are consuming a diet entirely made up of your backyard veggies in the summer and locally grown fruits and vegetables in the winter. Although I do commend you for growing your own veggies and buying locally in the winter, that’s awesome.

      • It does indeed have soy.. this is from Beyond meat’s FAQ page “WHAT ARE YOUR PRODUCTS MADE OF?

        Our products are made from 100% plant-based inputs such as proteins from peas, faba beans, and soy. They are free of gluten and GMOs.” it’s a MAN made product.. it is the height of it is a Process to make it.. Hence processed!!.. so in this light its no better than any other man made crap with Added nutrients?? Just a thought.. I think there needs to be a little bit of due dilligence from the people commenting.. This lady posted several links on studies done.. they are RIGHT there within the body of the post!.. she did her due dilligence.. Hmm.. and Sooo many angry people, Near as I can tell this poster that posted this article.. Dani.. are comin off to her as if SHE is the one making this product she just looked into the ingredients each one listed.. and there are a few.. and broke them down and provided studies on each one.. and Just remember.. when the Name calling begins. all intelligent conversation has Left the building it means you have Nothing intelligent to say.. OR you lack the vocabulary to pull off an intelligent coversation.. I just think it’s CHILDISH to attack the poster.. it would seem this is a text book “everyone has opinion’s & Most of them stink”..” or “Opinions are like assholes everyone has one and they ALL stink”.. Either way.. I will NOT be eating Beyond Meat!!

      • Thank you for your insightful and knowledgeable posts. As a person that grew up on a farm 72 years ago I know you are correct. What I am amazed at- the negative and nasty comments boarding on a type of bullying. We are seeing this like never before in our society. What ever happened to civility? Again thank you.

      • dani Reply

        And yet neither you nor Matthew can provide studies demonstrating that a well balanced diet of grass-fed meat, wild seafood, healthy fats and a ton of organic veggies (aka the diet I recommend) causes cancer. There’s a reason for that: they don’t exist.

    • Beyond meat ingredients are absolutely terrible, but red meat is cancer causing and is destroying the earth. Neither are good choices for sustainability and neither are healthy so please don’t draw dangerous conclusions like this.

    • Hahaha, great comment. When I clicked on the article I thought it might be ran by someone that has aboriginal roots but nope just a blonde woman woman with an opinion on a burger that is better for the environment and doesn’t kill animals. So I wasn’t surprised by the article.

      • dani Reply

        Yeah, being a blonde woman means I can’t possibly provide a legitimate argument full of scientific information and ten years worth of experience in nutrition.

    • Matthew wrote,”Scientific evidence has been accumulating for decades that cancer is more common among people who eat red meat and processed meat. But Correlation is not causation. People have been eating red meat for hundreds of years, yet cancer has been occurring at greater rates than ever before. I don’t know what other foods these red meat eaters are eating, but I think we need to look there instead of what we have been eating for centuries.

  2. Beyond Meat doesn’t use msg. Look at their FAQ’s before trying to advocate for eating a living being: a mom, a daughter, a being that has feelings & is slaughtered for your taste buds. Try watching What The Health.

    • dani Reply

      What The Health is the most ridiculous, inane, inaccurate pile of garbage I’ve ever seen.

      Also they LITERALLY list autolyzed yeast extract, which is MSG, on their ingredient labels. Are you just choosing to ignore that fact?

      Also – a mom, a daughter, a living being was slaughtered for your tastebuds too. Millions of animals are killed a year to create these fake meat products. Entire species have been displaced to grow coy, corn, wheat, legumes. Millions of field mice are murdered every week to plow the fields. There are entire dead zones, one of the size of Rhode Island in the gulf, because of the runoff of fertilizer to grow the soy and corn and wheat and beans you so arrogantly eat, while you look down your nose at people who acknowledge the fact that for us to eat – something must die. We just choose to eat in a way with the most realistic compassion. I’d rather eat an animal raised with respect and love from a local farmer, that was killed honorably and painlessly – than eat a fake meat burger that killed millions of animals in its production.

      Try reading The Vegetarian Myth.

      • This is the most fake answer and pile of garbage I have read about veganism!!!!! Arguing against vegetables growing!!! Which planet are you from?? Who pays you to write this?? You are completely weird!

        • dani Reply

          I am weird, but I’m not arguing against vegetables growing.

          • This article was listing things that were not on the ingredient label

          • dani

            The ingredient labels are clearly listed above. Everything I discussed was on the Beyond Meat ingredient labels.

      • “..grow the soy and corn and wheat and beans you so arrogantly eat, while you look down your nose at people who acknowledge the fact that for us to eat..” Says Dani, arrogantly. lol, I had to make a joke before writing more.

        Have you thought that it’s possible other people are ignorant of the facts you know? Speaking down to someone to let them know they’ve been speaking down to you or others is equal to encouraging the behavior continue.

        The real issue isn’t about whether processed vegan food is more healthy than unprocessed or humanely treated animals before they’re slaughtered. That’s going to lead to a big disagreement,to more separation,to more conflict. That’s the kind of spirit that war is created from.

        I landed here because a fellow Chef friend of mine sent me the link. I had reposted an article about vegan products going up in sales recently and was excited about it, and to me that served as a slice of proof that people as a whole were moving towards a more healthy diet. I found this article informative (def. biased) but didn’t hold much I didn’t already know.

        I personally don’t indulge much in processed foods, sometimes I give myself a little treat of things I crave from when I was a kid. My goal is to one day eat all natural. I hear you with all you wrote. You have some well formed ideas.

        Your tone though..

        I feel that processed foods in general are not the healthiest option all across the board (veg and animal). Do you purchase every single piece of animal product from a humane source? And what do you consider “humane”, are you referring to the label or are you visiting these farms and seeing for yourself?

        Have you ever heard the phrase “food for thought”? Well how about this one.. We take in, not only food, drink and air, we also take in thoughts, words and energy. By the energy you’re putting out in this message, I can tell the kind of energy you’re consuming (whether it be through your food, your water, emotions or your thoughts – or a mix of it all).

        Wishing you well.

        • dani Reply

          This is a topic I’m really passionate about and I implore you to ask yourself if you’d have this same response to a man. I think your comment has a lot of great points that I will definitely consider.

    • Just the oils and soy they use are toxic altogether trust me I was excited to try but honestly grass fed beef is better since u can control what good oils u use
      So your own research and u will see as I have the oils and other ingredients on this article are not better for u. But to each his own. I know it’s tasty but think twice

  3. dawn prestom Reply

    Fyi, ‘grass-fed beef’ is only ‘finished’ by cows eating grass. They’re taken out to eat a few meals of grass before they’re slaughtered, but are fed corn 90% of their lives, and living in squalor immediately prior to that. do some homework on that. Real homework. Not stuff funded by the beef industries themselves. Those cows are unfortunately not roaming freely in pastures for years an years. This is one of those fairytale buzzwords / images we glom onto….’Grass fed beef’. Its all marketing to sell you crap that’s still awful for you, but just sounds better. Trust me. i was an Art director in advertising for 14 years in NYC. I’ve been privy to shit I wish I never saw or heard. Its all the same garbage.

    • dani Reply

      That’s not only wildly inaccurate, it’s idiotic. I’d use the term ignorant, but clearly you have every means to educate yourself on the topic and choose not to.

      Grass-fed meat from local farmers, as I discussed in the article, constitutes cows actually fed grass and out on pasture. Being an art director in NYC has literally nothing to do with this topic and shows the depth of your ignorance on it. This comment actually infuriates because it’s so unintelligent and disrespectful to farmers.

      I have met so many farmers that have family run businesses, they work their asses off from dawn till dusk taking care of their animals. These animals live on pasture, they’re outside everyday. These farmers occasionally give the animals feed that may include grains (like in winter), but the vast majority of their lives – they’re out on pasture.

      These people don’t have money for advertising budgets. They don’t advertise outside of their family run Facebook page, or linking up with other farmers in the community, or farmers markets. They couldn’t tell you what a “buzzword” was – and they don’t care. They’re not the beef industry, which you would know if you had even the slightest idea of what you’re talking about. They are small, family run farms. They’re doing good work. They’re doing hard work that you could never even begin to imagine at your cushy art job, with the audacity to think you have any idea about these people.

      You, a woman who has never met these hard working people. Never cared to know them, to find out where your food comes from. Never participated in the process of growing food. It’s arduous. These people work hard. This is their lives, it’s their livelihood, it’s how they take care of their children. And you dare make up this ridiculous narrative that they don’t feed their cattle grass? That they mistreat them? That they’re not actually out on pasture? Go to any farmers market and talk to the mothers and fathers selling their meat to put their kids through college. They’re going to laugh in your face.

      I don’t say this lightly, you should be ashamed of yourself.

      • No one is doubting the integrity of “free range” farmers. It is apparent you have some relation to them, your family assuming, as the cloud of personal bias is looming largely around your words… There are enough non government sponsored replicated studies out there to make it easy to ignore opinion pieces clouted in personal attachment heh..

        • dani Reply

          The only relation I have to farmers is that they FEED ME. Which I think is pretty important. My family are city people.

          Unlike most people, and people commenting on this article in particular, I have met the people that grow my food. I’ve seen the process, the animals, the farm, the work. I’ve even seen my previous farmer get shut down by the FDA for selling raw milk. They raided his house in the middle of the night and woke up his eight kids, one of which was just a few weeks old.

          It seems like I can’t win with you guys. You want studies so I provide them, then you bash them for being “government sponsored.” Which doesn’t even make sense. I also provided studies from Harvard and other various institutions and showed how canola oil is made – guess you’re all just going to ignore that?

  4. That was supposed to be a thumbs up.
    I agree with Dani and not with the author.

  5. Candace Carlisle McCarthy Reply

    So I’m your opinion we should just eat dead rotting flesh?

    • dani Reply

      No, we should eat the fresh flesh of animals grown in a healthy, respectful manner from local farmers. Eating anything rotten isn’t a good idea, obviously.

      • Julia Escobar Reply

        Animal flesh starts to rot seconds after it’s cut. Grass fed or not. Frozen or not. I’m sure you’re gut really loves that.

  6. Umm where does it say soy protein?

    Also you’re dreaming if you think there is enough loca grass fed cattle or land to do so to feed the whole world’s population..

    But mostly vegan meat is for not killing animals…

    • dani Reply

      Literally says “soy protein isolate” on the ingredient list for the grilled chicken strips. Glad to see you didn’t actually read the article.

      There’s not currently enough local, grass-fed cattle to feed the world but if we switched from a CAFO model to grass-fed model, this is not only possible, but AMAZING for the environment.

      Vegan meat kills thousands of animals. Millions, even. Entire herds of wild buffalo have been displaced for your soy, wheat and corn. Field mice are killed when those fields are plowed – millions upon millions of them. Just because you don’t see all the animals killed to get your fake meat, doesn’t mean they don’t exist. You’re just arrogantly blind to it.

      • Okay, I think you need to calm down. You keep coming out with ‘Vegan Meat Kills thousands of animals”.

        You do know what most soy, corn and wheat is grown for, right?

        You would need an awful lot of vegan-animal slaughtering individuals to even begin to account for about 1% of the crops you are talking about.

        I think calling everyone who posits a counter point to you as blindly ignorant is a bit unnecessary.

        I have studied extensively food production and am a dear friend of Professor Colin Tudge, who I’m sure you’ve read. And we actually had a chat about your positions on this and they are wildly mixed-up.

        There are a lot of possibly unnecessary ingredients in the beyond products, that’s for sure, but to extrapolate that a vegan lifestyle is responsible for the industrial mono-crops that are killing eco-systems is insane. The destruction of the rain forests was initiated by that vegan MONSTER McDonalds back in the day and then continued by Palm Oil growers, Corn mono-crops and soy.

        A large majority of this was a mis-guided attempt to come up with replacements for fossil fuels, corn for ethanol and biofuels, Palm for pretty much any soap and cleaning product and soy for animal feed and paints, rubber, plastics glue I think as well. I think about 5-6% of the soy crop is used for human food.

        You cloud your other health point by this absurd tack about the vegan destroyers of habitats. And of course you don’t really deal with the ethical issue of breading cattle, which is kind of against nature (cows are in some sense genetically modified to be so) in the first place.

        • dani Reply

          Re: “You do know what most soy, corn and wheat is grown for, right?”

          Which is why in the article, and numerous times throughout the comments section, I only recommend and encourage people to purchase grass-fed beef from local farmers. I feel like I’ve made that abundantly clear.

          Re: “You would need an awful lot of vegan-animal slaughtering individuals to even begin to account for about 1% of the crops you are talking about.”

          Oh yeah? Where’d you come up with that statistic?

          Re: “I think calling everyone who posits a counter point to you as blindly ignorant is a bit unnecessary.”

          I do not do this. Just some people. The blatantly ignorant commenters.

          Re: “…but to extrapolate that a vegan lifestyle is responsible for the industrial mono-crops that are killing eco-systems is insane…You cloud your other health point by this absurd tack about the vegan destroyers of habitats.”

          Actually, it’s reality. The dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico is caused by runoff from soy, corn, wheat and canola crops. Staples of vegan diets. The nitrogen and phosphorous from the fertilizer used on these monocrops has literally created a dead zone.

          Your argument against me would potentially be relevant if I were arguing in favor of all meat, which I’ve made abundantly clear that I am not. I support small, local, sustainable grass-fed farmers. Not CAFOs. You really have no argument against me.

          • ‘Re: “You would need an awful lot of vegan-animal slaughtering individuals to even begin to account for about 1% of the crops you are talking about.”

            Oh yeah? Where’d you come up with that statistic?’

            Okay, just tidying up some of your points. The 1% is a bit of a guess but probably an over-estimate. It is estimated that direct human consumption of soybean production is between 5-6%. That’s all human food that is derived from soy production, tofu, soybean themselves, soy milk, soy sauce etc. 70-75% is animal feed (“BUT I DON’T ADVOCATE THAT I ONLY WANT PEOPLE TO EAT GRASS-FED….”, I know, that’s really not my point). The rest is soybean oil for biofuels, or soy which is used in other industrial processes.

            Of that, given the fact that estimates of vegetarian diets across the world is about half a billion (there are many estimates out there, they range from 375 to 600m or so) out of a population of 7.6bn, vegetarians (which includes vegans) are 15%.

            So 15% of 6% is about 1%. I did say ‘about 1%’.

            So, if you are still with me, to say that it is vegetarians that are responsible for soybean mega production and the associated nitrate etc run off, is blatant lunacy.

            It’s profitable and it happens mainly because of the biochemical and livestock industries. So if, everyone started eating the Beyond Meat burger tomorrow (something I am obviously not advocating, the only product of theirs that contains soy is the chicken strips I think) instead of beef these soy crops would disappear.

            You keep conflating different strands of your arguments.

            Anyway, I just thought I’d answer where I got the 1% from.

      • Your correct that animals die in the harvesting of soy, wheat, corn etc. But the vast majority of all that is feeding the animals that you eat. It would be far more sustainable and economical if that food was used to feed people instead of animals.

        • dani Reply

          Did you even read the article? I don’t eat animals fed soy, corn or wheat. I exclusively eat beef from my local, grass-fed farmer. This is what I encourage others to do as well, which makes your entire argument invalid.

  7. Stop with the bullshit. You idiots are obviously trying to discredit the plant-based/vegan industry with the fluff piece. Please, stop. It’s pathetic.

    • dani Reply

      Sure, legitimate scientific research and years of common sense be damned!

  8. Why are they talking about soy! There is non in thee burger! Wow this has so been sponsored by the meat industry! It has pea protein! Not soy!!!!

    • dani Reply

      I am taking about soy because it’s very clearly in the chicken strips, which you’d know if you bothered to read the article.

      Saying this is sponsored by the meat industry is not just ridiculous, it’s straight up dumb. I clearly bash the meat industry and CAFO farms and recommend eating grass-fed meat from local pasture based farms.

      • Perhaps you should add a description of the pros and cons of pea protein isolate, that’s what the burgers are made of and that’s what’s in the news. It seems cowardly not to do so. I personally won’t touch anything with pea protein as because of detrimental effects on gut health of legumes, also soy. Yes, I full heartedly agree with you on grass fed/grass finished, wild caught, etc.

        • dani Reply

          I hadn’t thought to do the pros/cons of pea protein, that’s a great idea. Not sure how that’s cowardly, maybe you meant to use a different word.

  9. Mig Granger Reply

    The first rule of nutrition probably should be, never speak in absolutes.
    To quote the author:
    ” there is NO LEGITIMATE STUDY that proves that eating grass-fed meat in addition to plant based foods (veggies in particular) is EVEN SLIGHTLY UNHEALTHY. IT LITERALLY DOES NOT EXIST.”
    Wow. You are dead wrong.
    And while neither you, nor I have or ever could begin to crack the surface of the number of nutritional studies published in a given year, let alone, in all existence, we don’t have to.
    There ACTUALLY IS a non-profit organization that does exactly that:
    I sincerely, request that you, Dani, spend even ONE HOUR reviewing this website and the information presented on the ACTUAL STUDIES that DO EXIST and refute your sometimes outdated and selectively reviewed, claims.
    Before you dive into THE FACTS, though, I want to point out that your blog post began by excoriating, very specifically, the Beyond Burger. And since I love the Beyond Burger, specifically, and since your whole post was aimed directly at the Beyond Burger, I find it interesting that your first “beef” is with, soy.
    And while your argument against soy MAY be valid, IT ISN’T EVEN LISTED as an ingredient in the Beyond Burger.
    You included the ingredients for the “chicken strips”, to validate your #1 supporting evidence for why the Beyond Burger is beyond unhealthy. Meat advocates probably didn’t notice since meat wasn’t the first ingredient.
    You quickly moved on to canola oil. Everything you reference can be corroborated by scientific studies. Yet, the Beyond Burger contains, EXPELLER PRESSED canola oil. EPCO is not processed the same way as the highly refined canola oils found in mainstream grocery stores. Maybe you knew this, maybe not.
    Yeast extract. Your argument is a bit misleading and beyond the scope of my lunch hour to debunk.
    The very complex debate surrounding glutamates and whether or not yeast extract is Monosodium Glutamate in disguise NOTWITHSTANDING (shall we throw in the highly concentrated glutamates found in meat, mushrooms, cheese, tomatoes, etc.?), millions of people are still clinging like a lifeboat, to one particular study, that was published when Duran Duran was still topping the charts.
    See the first rule of nutrition mentioned above. Time marches on.
    The great MSG debate has undergone a DECADES long tug-o-war in terms of scientific research.
    Check the facts:
    While I have eaten a strictly vegan diet for a little more than a year, I do not pretend to have perfect health. I have Celiac disease and suffer from gastrointestinal inflammation on a daily basis. I try to eat whole, unprocessed foods at every meal.
    Then again, I don’t write books or blogs denouncing grass-fed beef and how it ravages your body. Why?
    Because, while the longevity and nutrition science currently favors veganism, more and more research is pointing to the unhealthy balance of flora in the microbiotic biome of our digestive systems as the catalyst for pretty much everything deadly to humans.
    Check out for a non-biased analysis of EVERY nutritional study published annually.

    • dani Reply

      To quote you,

      “” there is NO LEGITIMATE STUDY that proves that eating grass-fed meat in addition to plant based foods (veggies in particular) is EVEN SLIGHTLY UNHEALTHY. IT LITERALLY DOES NOT EXIST.”
      Wow. You are dead wrong.”

      Okay – if I’m dead wrong, provide me with that study. You didn’t because you can’t. is a joke. It’s also the opposite of unbiased, it’s run by a vegan doctor who cherry picks his studies and information to fit his agenda – while ignoring a large body of research indicating otherwise. It’s should be renamed because that’s all it is.

      Re: MSG – I can’t. You have no idea what you’re talking about concerning glutamate, naturally occurring glutamate, monosodium glutamate, etc. Just so you know – glutamate in tomatoes is fine – monosodium glutamate created in a lab is bad. I can’t have a debate with someone who has no understanding of basic nutritional information.

      I mean this in the nicest way possible and I hope you take my advice, if you are suffering from GI inflammation on a daily basis, it’s absolutely because of your diet and you need to change it. Veganism is clearly not working for you AND THAT’S OKAY. You’re not a failure or a bad person if it doesn’t work for you. I am happy to chat with you about ways to improve and reduce your inflammation and heal your GI tract. Seriously. I’m here to help.

  10. Dani, your arrogance itself would make me turn my own nose up at your offer to help me decide how to feed my body. I’m sorry, but no one has all the answers- even you…shocker, right? Nutrition is way too complex to be black and white. If you’re going to post about something controversial, you probably should expect controversy and opposing views, and more importantly, learn how to respect others’ choices and take the criticism. I shall take my research elsewhere. Just as you put it:
    “I can’t” with the arrogant, pompous, and immature attitude.
    Also, the word “literally”. seriously, enough already.

    • dani Reply

      Ugh, you’re right. I get so fired up and use “I can’t” and “literally” way too often. Especially “literally.” I blame Chris Traeger.

      I do expect controversy, I just wish it came with common sense. I don’t think I know everything and I don’t think nutrition is black and white, I think quite the opposite in fact.

      I encourage you to take your research elsewhere! Everyone should research the hell out of nutrition, land management, soy, grass-fed farms, etc. Although I did provide a lot of good and legitimate research so you should probably at least take it into consideration.

  11. Dang, I get that sometimes people’s comments are a bit nonsensical or lacking in facts, but your responses are straight-up rude. Let people be lame in their comments to you if they want to, but responding condescendingly, as you often do, makes you seem petty and immature.

    Just my two cents.

    • dani Reply

      Thanks for your input, Brooke. I just get really fired up – I’m like this in person too. My husband tells me I need to chill all the time. I definitely see your point and it’s something I’m really trying to work on!

  12. Chancel Nuque Reply

    I feel sorry for the author… tried so hard just to prove consumption of flesh, even if it’s grass-fed, is actually good for health.

    With all the research done… I’m just surprised why the author is not vegan, smh.

    • dani Reply

      I was plant based for five years before it ruined my health: high blood sugar, hormonal imbalances, low vitamin D, low B12, low iron, etc.

      My husband was vegan for ten years before he realized it was wrecking his health. You can read about our stories with veganism here:

      And you can read which nutrients are literally impossible to obtain from plant based foods here:

      • That was my experience too. I followed a plant based diet for decades as that was the published advice by “experts”. Now I have absorption problems and severe osteoporosis as well as a seizure disorder. I have been able to manage my health better since finding doctors and surgeons that have changed my diet and put me on lean grass fed beef, no msg and gmo foods, as well as fixing the B, C, D vitamins deficiencies and anemia. I don’t have an extended lifespan now, but at least I’m not hungry every two hours and am more mentally clear.

        My point? Research what happened to Jim Fix, look at the recommended advice on an aspirin a day, Roundup… These guys have to make a living. Take advice with a grain of salt, research and make your own decisions, because you’re the one who is going to have to live with the consequences of your decision. Oh, and your family, workmates, community, healthcare system, etc… Things change and so does advice. It’s a very fluid environment, especially over decades

  13. “Western men more susceptible to phytoestrogens. One possibility is that excess body weight modifies the relation between phytoestrogen intake and semen quality as our data suggest. ” from your studies.

    Also, only one beyond meat product contains soy protein isolate, which is seems all the other studies were about. Do you want to read studies about soy that negate all this?

    Your life focus is lacking moral priorities. Yikes.

    • dani Reply

      My life focus is lacking moral priorities because I pointed out the fact that numerous ingredients in these products are unhealthy? Sure, that’s completely sane.

  14. Robert Wasilewski Reply

    So I found this page by doing a google search as I’ve been questioning the healthfulness of these up and coming “tastes just like” meat burgers. As vegans my girlfriend and I have yet to try these creations and frankly may avoid them all together. Reading through your comments and article I like how it started but sadly it devolved into a straight up heated argument between yourself and passionate vegans. I see you’re a nutrition consultant and trying to do the right thing so rather than point to articles or even introduce science into this I’d rather just tell you our experience. For years my girlfriend and I were eating what most would consider a very healthful diet, we ate lots of fruits and veggies, many from our own garden, we always sought out organic when possible and our meat and seafood was often better than even grassfed. Much of the red meat we consumed was from locally hunted deer that I butchered myself, in fact one year I was brought 7 deer which lasted frozen for a few years. When we ate fish it was always wild caught (often by myself) and we avoided high pcb and mercury species. Eggs were sourced from a customer of mine that had chickens not for business but as pets and not only were they free roaming on many many acres of land but they even had air conditioned housing in the summer! I must say the eggs were delicious and they had a dark orange yolk color that looked and tasted nothing like the best pastured eggs whole foods had to sell. The chickens ate a wild diet of bugs and what they foraged. Ok, so now that I established what were were doing for many years of our lives about 3 years ago we decided to try the vegan thing one weekend. Our health wasn’t bad by most standards but blood pressure was on the higher side, cholesterol was somewhere around 170 and of particular concern especially for my girlfriend was her A1C levels which can be indicative of the onset of diabetes which is very prevalent in her family. My blood tests were better but I still had higher than ideal blood pressure, I struggled to keep my weight where I wanted it despite exercising 10 hours a week and I also suffered from heartburn and gastro intestinal problems. Hard exertion also gave me chest pains days afterwards, not sure why but no test ever found a cause. At any rate, that weekend turned into a permanent change, we simply never went back and totally avoid any meat, dairy or seafood now. How has it affected our health? If we look at blood tests the change was dramatic, my cholesterol is now at 117 total with an excellent ldl/hdl ratio if you believe in that measure. My girlfriends triglycerides dropped to 1/3 of what they were and her A1C is now at 5.4, exactly what mine is. I lost about 30 lbs, my reflux has went away and I no longer get chest pains after exercise. Mind you this didn’t happen overnight but even after 6 months we saw changes in our blood work and bodies. Prior to going vegan I had huge arguments with some friends that are vegan and my stance was with a healthy lifestyle and enough exercise I would be just as healthy and the ONLY was I would be convinced was first hand seeing these changes in my own body (which happened). Ok, so going back to these plant burgers… I do have to agree with your take on them being quite possibly dangerous, things like pea protein isolate or soy isolates I’d like to call Frankenfoods. Are they better than the meat they replaced? Good question, maybe, maybe not or more likely better in some ways but worse in others. I don’t think we’ll fully appreciate this until they’re on the market for years and people have consumed them. We chose to avoid such products as much as we can, at home we use them very sparingly but may eliminate them entirely. I did noticed once we “figured out” vegan options like these we weren’t as healthy as when were were just eating the real stuff. The only reason I think a mostly plant based diet with some meat or dairy is problematic is much like smoking, if you tell a 2 pack a day smoker they can have only 2 cigarettes a day that will soon become 5, then 10, etc until they’re right back where they started. By totally avoiding any meat and dairy there is no cheating. I’d like to challenge you to trying a vegan diet for only 3 months but get blood work done before and after and make sure it’s a vegan diet done right without things like coconut oil and fake meat products. If you’re not sensitive I’d say grains are just fine too, we eat them with no issues but there’s a real trend to avoid them. I think you may be surprised but until you try something you can’t knock it.

  15. Seriously? BEEF over a plant-based burger? Healthier? LOL, this author is an idiot. How about that.

    • dani Reply

      I find that those who have no actual argument against me usually result to name calling. And yes, it’s a literal fact that a grass-fed burger is healthier than an overly processed plant based burger full of carcinogens, MSG, additives and preservatives.

  16. But Dani, they have elite athletes on their website that told me it was healthy. Would elite athletes paid by Beyond Meat lie to me? Funny that there is no mention of bio-availability or absorption rate on the website when they speak of how plant-based proteins are better than animal proteins. Just another company catering to the “I get 10 grams of protein a day” vegan crowd who believes eating broccoli will suffice as a protein source.

  17. Anne Griffin Reply

    Some of us are vegetarian or vegan for ethical reasons and still want to enjoy a good tasting burger.

  18. It is abundantly clear and science demonstrates this that the healthiest way to live is on a whole foods low fat plant based diet. The kindest way to live is as a vegan. I am so grateful to companies that make innovative ‘meat’ products such as Beyond Meat for those people who insist on animal flesh. I would rather eat Beyond Meat products any day than anything from any animal. Plants versus flesh that suffered miserably and died violently is a simple choice for me.

    • dani Reply

      Actually, science, history and anthropology have demonstrated the opposite. The healthiest and kindest diet is a seasonal, local diet that is rich in organic, grass-fed animals as well as organically grown produce. A great book to read on the topic is The Vegetarian Myth, which explains how many animals are killed for these plant based products to read your plate. I assure you, hundreds, if not thousands of animals have given their lives for your vegan diet.

      I go into further detail in this article:

  19. Okay. Well, there are probably some ‘bad’ ingredients in just about everything we eat. But meat is so concentrated with not only the pesticides used on the *highly* processed plants they eat, but also concentrated with the antibiotics and steroids a lot of the larger meat producers use on their animals. Now before you tell me there are some natural alternatives, it doesn’t change the fact that 90% of the meat people eat is the cheapest meat that does use these antibiotics and steroids.

    We can argue all day about how much “free” landmass there is to raise cattle and the feed for them, but the fact is that they consume so much that it is extremely inefficient to eat them. Whereas simulated meat, which is grown in the exact same manner just without the animal, is far more efficient. I honestly can’t see how the two compare. Real meat is very unhealthy for you and highly inefficient, simulated meat is far more efficient and probably healthier since it doesn’t have antibiotics or steroids concentrated in it.

    • dani Reply

      Did you even read the article prior to commenting?

      Because I clearly only recommend 100% grass-fed, organic meat from local, pasture based farms. Which makes your entire argument irrelevant.

      • Yes… I read it. And I said 90% of people are still going to buy cheap, non-grass fed meat for most occasions. Most people do not want to sped $10+ a lb for meat. Not to mention most ‘organic’ or grass-fed farms STILL use antibiotics and steroids. No matter what kind, meat is ridiculously inefficient, takes up massive amounts of landmass, takes tons of resources and water to cultivate, and is riddled with highly concentrated chemicals. I’m not saying this simulated meat couldn’t do better because I’m sure it could eventually, but its still a far-cry more healthy than *most* meat.

      • representing a meat based diet as healthier than a plant based diet shows severe ignorance of dietary needs of the human body. There is NO MEAT that is healthy, NONE.

        • dani Reply

          Except for grass-fed beef, venison, bison, wild salmon, rabbit, chicken liver, chicken, etc. Gram for gram, liver is the most nutrient dense food on earth. So maybe educate yourself before throwing the word ignorant around.

          • Jonathan cozier

            meat literally has no vitamins or minerals beyond iron and protein, thats a fact not an opinion. You may want to then say “but organ meat” which is yes, high in some vitamins and minerals, but still ridiculously high in LDL cholesterol and too high levels of saturated fat.

          • dani

            You literally have no idea what you’re talking about.

          • Did that guy literally say that meat has no vitamins in??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA….hahahoooo.

            Like Taurine, Creatine, B12, K2, D, E, A, and on and on are all found in nutritious grass-fed animals in their tissues. And I say animals because even if beef were unsustainable (which it really isn’t) goats and sheep are totally sustainable on a small or large scale to feed whole communities easily.

            Dani, great article. People want to believe that food sources of grass-fed ruminants that took us to the top of the world and gave us brains is now too unhealthy for us. Right. Trust your MyPlate folks. Just wait till the diabetes hits you.

  20. Thanks for the breakdowns on potentially-harmful ingredients in these burgers. While I eat them on occasion, I will be more thoughtful about how frequently, as I have stuck to grass-fed local beef for many years prior.

    That being said, I have to echo what a previous commenter here said: You are incredibly rude in your replies to people commenting here. You seem smart and I was going to share this post with friends until I read the comments and my jaw dropped. You can disagree with people and have impassioned debates while still being respectful and kind.

    Best of luck to you.

    • dani Reply

      I feel that I’m perfectly respectful in my responses. I was raised to be very honest and straight forward. I don’t feel the need to mince words.

      Additionally, for anyone else reading, I’ve seen way worse things said by men in my position and I have never, not once, seen them held to the standard I am. Just because I’m a woman does not mean I have to be gentler with my responses.

      • Hi Dani – I just came across this article and know very little about you, but I wanted say – please never succumb to the nice-shaming, which is really so silly and irrelevant to your mission. The fact that a fellow woman (which Cate presumably is) would consider censoring her loved ones from this post because her feelings were hurt by your directness and unwillingness to fulfill the expectation of “be a nice girl” is asinine. This is your blog; you should respond to people how you see fit; you are leading with logic and it’s okay to be angry. It’s okay not to respond with smiley faces and apologies when you receive the digital equivalent of heckling. Doesn’t take away from the meaning of your message and doesn’t mean you’re a lesser person. You should be judged on the quality and accuracy of your work, not on your tendency to say sweet, charming things to people who are doggedly attacking you on the internet, on your blog. Being PC is overrated. And don’t underestimate women who have been socialized to always be nice and polite and then try to bring you down with them by policing your words and expressions because they feel threatened by your bold autonomy in stepping outside the lines of the very myopic world they inhabit.

        • dani Reply

          I seriously think I love you. This is one of the most thoughtful, intelligent comments I’ve ever received.

          I think because I’m a woman I’m held to a different standard; a vast majority of the comments I’ve received on this article aren’t in response to the article or my work, but about my responses in the comment section. I am passionate, I am fiery and I do not censor myself to make others comfortable – as women have done and are expected to do.

          From the bottom of my heart, thank you for this comment. I can’t tell you how much I appreciate it!

  21. Dani,

    Just want to let you know as a nutritionist I agree with you. I wish people would realize how many horrible ingredients are in these highly processed fake meat burgers. This country is full of idiots, don’t let the bastards get you down.

  22. Good argument both sides. Some one explain to me if we look back at all countries that ate only plant base foods and didn’t have access to any meat as in North and south africa, japan, China before they started eating the standard American diet . had rarely any cancer, high blood pressure, heart problem.

    • dani Reply

      There is no traditional plant based culture. It literally does not exist. The earliest plant based eaters chose to eat plants due to religious reasons, and even that was fairly recent.

  23. Reading your replies to comments shows how fucking stupid you are.

  24. Humans are frugivors or herbivores. Characteristics of a human says everything, unless you pant like a dog on those hot summer days.

  25. I actually enjoyed this article, and it was making me think twice about eating Beyond Meat…until I read the author’s replies to other’s comments; all credibility went out the window. This is all just a matter of preference really. Some people love animals, others don’t care. Both Beyond meat and beef likely aid in the development of cancer. But besides all of the “studies,” facts, and good/bad information posted here…being defensive and just outright lacking class makes me never want to read anything you write about ever again. Good luck with that attitude. Your responses should be as eloquent and well-written as your article; you’re not a rebellious teenager with a chip on their shoulder…or are you? SMH

    • dani Reply

      A large part of me feels like if I were a man no one would slight me for being less than eloquent or “lacking class” in my responses. This is not something that is often required of or even said to a man; and I’d like you to think about this. Would you ever require a man to be eloquent, or fault him for lacking class – as long as his research was valid and scientifically sound (as mine is)? No, I don’t think you would. I don’t even think you’d use terms like eloquent or lacking class when having a discussion with a man.

      I sometimes feel like a rebellious teenager with a chip on my shoulder, but I’m just a mom and a business owner and a wife trying to educate people on the impact of the food they consume.

      • I’m a writer myself, and a YouTuber, so I understand all too well how it feels to get negative comments. Maybe I was a bit harsh. After further thought, I remembered how irritating it can be to have readers try to counter something you spent so much time writing and researching. Sometimes we just lose our cool. I apologize for my original comment. Thank you for doing what you do, sincerely. I still love Beyond Mest though! Lol. Keep up the great work!

  26. While I came here by accident to read if I could freeze these bad boys. I was sucked in, and I’m also a sucker for reading comments.

    What I gained from all of this is and my 40-years on this planet is, you are all are probably right and wrong at the same time. Now, before the author jumps down my throat, because all of your replies are very argumentative defending your post like the USDA is in your pocket, let me explain.

    NO ONE knows anything for sure. Yeah, NO ONE. Do you know why? Because the government doesn’t give two cents about the people who live here, including you and me. So, you can post all the “back up” you can to prove your point, and someone will still manage to find something just as “reputable” to contradict it. That is a fact.

    While our government claims that human experimentation is illigal, we are still being experimented on every single day that we breath the air, drink the water, eat the food from a store, take medication/supplements slather our body with chemicals and what ever else. You can’t trust anything you read. All you can do is live your life the way you see fit and let others live their life. You can post all of this, but it still comes down to not really knowing the truth.

    Just like a ozone layer. Are you old enough to remeber that BS? OMG, come to find out, it’s supposed to be like that. Stanford Prison Experiment, while they cut it short a d it’s illegal to experiment on humans, what you don’t see behind the curtain is that it is happening right before our eyes and we are going along with it.

    Lastly, how many Beyond Burgers are we talking about when it comes to consumption? 1 a year, 1 a month, 1 a week, a day? Everyones body is different. I have meet life long cigarette smokers who have never had a health realted issue and lived until their 90’s and nonsmokers who have eaten healthy and worked out their whole like die at an early age of cancer. Riddle me that?

      • I am still reading support and contradictions on the MSG and Yeast Extract as well as some other ingredients. I guess we will truly never know to truth unless we all become scientists and do the tests yourself. Guess I am sticking to making sweet potato and bean burgers just incase.

  27. Dani, you seem like an awful person, truly hahahah I’m glad I didn’t have to make an account to say that, but I was willing to!

    Stop being such a cunt yea? Cool.

      • This very good article and the vegan nut job responses sum up nicely why the world is in the state it is in. I thought you were quite polite Dani to people so stupid they will argue in favour of eating novel toxic crap rather that highly nutritious food people have thrived on and worshiped for millenia.

  28. Hi Dani, I suggest you do not listen to anyone who tries to demean what you say. The fact that they’re arguing over some movies or documentaries they watch do not take into account optimal nutrition. I’m sorry to say that the easiest way to get calcium (raw dairy, sardines with bone and chicken with bone), copper (liver having ceruplasmin, copper binding protein), heme iron, zinc, sulphur, phosphorous, selenium (due to low variations in their bodies), Vitamins A,D, K2, all B-Vitamins, even Vitamin C (as animal adrenal gland is far richer than most produce, although this isn’t that critical), add in nucleic acids, add in Preformed DHA, even preformed AA (omega 6 fats). So I’ll present what you present and watch people in their ignorance.

  29. Organic farmer raising grass fed beef and lamb here (and more, some of our other products are: improved soil, nutritious veggies grown in that soil, preserved habitat for songbirds/native pollinators, riparian preservation, children that know how to work hard and understand how the natural world works…. I can go on. And on.
    Just wanted to post one positive comment and thank you for your good work . I really appreciate your willingness to go to bat for farms that are working hard to regenerate their land and feed people as a bonus. Pleas keep it up. We need you.

    • dani Reply

      Thank YOU for the amazing, necessary work you do for the land, soil and our environment!

  30. Interesting that you choose to post and respond hateful comments from your readers that really add nothing to the discourse.

    However, you choose to ignore comments that actually spur intellectual conversation / debate. Scary in my opinion.

    For example, you ignore comments that are contrary to the opinions you post on subjects such as cattle ranching. I use the word opinion here, because, at this point, that’s all this blog post seems to contain on the subject.

    Let me know when you choose to allow your readers to observe all comments.

    Good luck.

    • dani Reply

      I’ve engaged in discussion with over 50 commenters who disagree with me. I have no idea what you’re talking about.

  31. I read the Vegetarian Myth btw, which you keep coming back to. She’s certainly an interesting outlier, but most of her sources aren’t peer-reviewed journal pieces (there are a few about 30 or so). And she simply makes things up – so many of her claims about vitamin content in foods is chemically empirically wrong, much of her claims about vitamin creation and absorption in the human body is biologically empirically wrong.

    (There is an extraordinary bit about early man not having heart disease, diabetes, or getting cancer. Most people develop cancers a little bit later in life – early man never got to later life so we don’t really know.)

    It’s hard to take much that she says seriously when she throws out claims like ‘meat is 100x more nutrient dense than vegetable matter’, quantifiably, demonstrably nonsense.

    Some of the other studies you cite are credible and do back up some of your claims regarding some of the ingredients, but by using TVM as your source it rather calls into question much else of what you write about.

    Organic, grass fed, free range animal rearing mainly helps us feel a little bit better about subjugating animals to our whims. I like meat, and I always buy as free range as possible, but I know I’m kidding myself. The only truly ethical route is not to steal chickens foetuses, not to force cows to permanently lactate, not to act as pimp gods to cattle and to allow those animals to evolve naturally in the wild. I guess deer meat is probably okay by that metric!

    • dani Reply

      Actually James, I think you’re the one who’s making things up. Ie: your random stats in your other comments, and definitely what you’re saying about The Vegetarian Myth, which is loaded with legitimate scientific information and factually correct biological and nutrition info.

      Lierre Keith doesn’t say meat is 100x more nutrient dense than vegetable matter. You said that. Just now. Nowhere in her book or writings has she said this. She has said meat is more nutrient dense than vegetables – which is a simple fact. There are nutrients that are impossible to obtain from plants alone (B12, retinol, EPA, DHA, etc.).

      Unless the other numerous comments you’ve left are actually legitimate, I will not be responding to them. You have literally made up information and it only clouds the conversation.

      • “Lierre Keith doesn’t say meat is 100x more nutrient dense than vegetable matter. You said that. Just now. Nowhere in her book or writings has she said this.” – semantically you are correct, as far as I know, it’s not in her writings, however she actually ‘says’ it here:

        Listen to Lierre Keith at 11:22:

  32. I stumbled on this site because I’d enjoyed the Beyond Burger patty and decided to try the Beyond Beef Crumble. The burger patty by far was more tasty and savory. I am not a vegan, or vegetarian, but I enjoy eating all types of healthy food without offering too harsh a judgement or the emotional baggage. I enjoy supporting local organic farmers meat or veggie … ?. Truth is … your body will except the foods your spirit will allow, thus the reason some people flourish with meat and sone without. We’re spendfing far too much time on what WE think others “should” be eating … when each of us knows deep inside what works well enough to our own liking. If organic farm raised eating makes one feel great then that is the true path set for that individual … however if that same person feels unwell or unfullfilled physically or emotionally, they can rest assured, there is another food solution. I respect it all … and enjoy my marvelous relationship with food and the universe.

  33. In General, society is scared of disruptors, like Beyond Meat, and this is a perfect example. Beyond Meat is changing the way we think, and eat. The investors behind this are disruptors and are changing the world. They are not doing it by stale ideas ie “grass fed beef.” Grow up and evolve, if you have a small child they may need science to create healthy foods when “grass fed beef” no longer exists

    • dani Reply

      So we should grow our food in labs instead of nature? This is the ignorant, disconnected way of thinking that absolutely scares me.

      Food should come from local, sustainable, organic farmers. NOT the food industry, not labs, not scientists, not Beyond Meat.

  34. Dani, I can promise it is them not you. I personally find your article and subsequent comments reasonable. You are frustrated at the bizarre reaction and comments. Sorry about that. It looks like you got bombarded by the Vegetarian version of Antifa.

    • And many people do not. So it’s not an us and them situation. It’s just a difference of opinion. There are many meat eaters in the respondents, I am one too, I just don’t do it much any more. I suspect we are all a long way away from being “The Vegetarian version of Antifa” whatever that might be!

      This the trap our leaders are wanting us to fall into, distinct, non-overlapping, defined groups, finding the differences not the commonality. Divide and conquer, there is only one true path!

  35. Ya know, when you write a piece like this and get zero support rom your readers, you might consider it to be an opportunity to expand your thinking rather than evidence that you’re smart and we’re idiots.
    I wrote and published a book on food additives and it’s clear that you’ve cherry picked your citings to support a hypothesis. To be taken seriously – and to grow as a writer and critical thinker – I recommend taking the approach of doing your research to disprove your theories and predetermintations. Both you and your readers will learn a whole lot more. Now gobahead and slam me 🙂

    • dani Reply

      I’ve received a lot of support from my readers. I don’t think I’m smart and you all are idiots – I don’t think that at all.

      If you’ve published a book on food additives, you would be able to recognize that there are numerous, and harmful, food additives in these products. That is a simple fact that I backed up with a lot of legitimate information.

  36. I’ll jump on the bandwagon when they come out with beyond pork chops. Everyone should take it easy on Dani, she provided important facts that do need to be addressed & we all should have some appreciation for her time and effort needed to put this significant forum together. Plus she acknowledged the fact that she needs to work on belittling people without them knowing, LOL, keep up the good work Dani.

  37. you are one dumb bitch lol
    sorry, I won’t waste more time on your gibberish

      • You have been accused more than once of being paid by the meat industry to write this, but you have never denied it?…Just wondering why…unless I missed it somewhere.

        • dani Reply

          I don’t even know how the “meat industry” would pay me to write this. The billion dollar corporations I bash and say you shouldn’t buy from? The massive CAFO farms that treat animals poorly and destroy the environment? You think those dudes are paying me?

          Or the small, pasture based, family farms that can barely get by because people mostly buy cheap meat or fake vegan meat? Because they’re too busy saving the world with their farming methods and just trying to get by.

          The accusation is just so asinine.

  38. I’m a proud omnivore that enjoyed your article. It’s important to be mindful of what we eat and where it comes from. I enjoy meat substitutes like beyond meat, seitan, tofu, tempeh, etc, but more for a change of pace than a nutritional reliance.

    Reading some of these comments has led me to conclude that vegans are missing chromosomes and that they should have been naturally-selected out of the gene pool.

  39. You seem to pick and choose parts of studies to promote your way of thinking. Just looking at the first study you linked under “Soy Protein Isolate” you leave out everything that doesn’t fit with your agenda. Examples below.

    “Soy food and isoflavone intakes were unrelated to total sperm count, ejaculate volume, sperm motility or sperm morphology in these analyses.”

    “The association between isoflavones and sperm concentration was similar but did not reach statistical significance in these analyses either. As was the case in the univariate analyses, there were no associations between soy foods or isoflavones and total sperm count, ejaculate volume, sperm motility or morphology in the multivariate analyses.”

    “The most important limitation of the study is the fact that it is a cross-sectional and observational study which limits our ability to determine causality.”

    “The clinical significance of these findings remains to be determined. Owing to the scarcity of human data in this area, it is very important that this issue is examined further, ideally in randomized trials.”

    Give the full facts, not just the ones that fit your agenda and let people decide on their own. I’m sure I could find omissions and falsely drawn conclusions from your other segments but ain’t nobody got time for that.

    • dani Reply

      And yet, the scientisist concluded that:

      “There was an inverse association between soy food intake and sperm concentration that remained significant after accounting for age, abstinence time, body mass index, caffeine and alcohol intake and smoking.”


      “These data suggest that higher intake of soy foods and soy isoflavones is associated with lower sperm concentration.”

      Studies cannot account for every aspect of what they are examining. Which is why I provided numerous studies. And also this one still clearly supports my “agenda.”

    • Pete.. Not to be rude.. but the only thing your coming down on is sperm count.. did someone threaten your manhood here.. and I am not being sarcastic.. it has for instance been proven that Soy can cause breast cancer.. Guess what.. I have breast cancer.. I drank soy milk .. go figure.. I don’t do soy.. it’s that simple.. I honestly am asking a question here not besmirching you in anyway.. And also.. it could depend (like most things in life) on the individual!.. just a thought before slamming the author for cherry picking just because you didn’t like the result of her research

  40. First time I’ve come across a “nutritionist” who was so adamant about meat consumption… And attacking posters. I would recommend reading The China Study, which is required reading for anyone who has studied nutrition comprehensively.

  41. I’m all for new information but curious how you came to this conclusion? None of the ingredients listed that you attributed to beyond meat or the beyond burger are actually in the beyond meat product. They are soy free. Gluten free and carageenen Free products. ??

    • dani Reply

      There are several Beyond Meat Products. This information is all within the article.

  42. Do you have suggestions for alternatives? I am not a vegetarian for the health benefits, I’m a vegetarian for the moral benefits. Trust me when I say, I LOVE meat. I LOVE a good burger, bbq pulled pork, ribs etc etc. My mouth is watering as I type. But I just couldn’t do it anymore. Most of your suggestion is to buy meat locally- okay. I get that. But I found Beyond the Meat because I don’t eat meat.

    Is your only suggestion to just buy meats and vegetables, locally? I need a meat alternative, and right now- I was so excited to find Beyond the Meat. However, in your professional opinion if you recommend an alternative I am all ears.

    • dani Reply

      I recommend finding a local, grass-fed farmer who raises animals in a sustainable manner and kills them humanely.

  43. Author is incorrect on many levels. Grass fed beef is not sustainable. In fact, it takes more water to raise grass fed animals. Also, no matter what your farming practices are, animals and farming practices still produce waste. Where does the waste go? Our oceans — our water! And yeast extract is NOT the same as MSG. What a bunch of bull shit!

    • dani Reply

      Agriculture is what is draining our aquafiers – not grass-fed beef. Please consider how much water it takes to hydrate the millions upon millions of acres of monocrops that are staples in a plant based diet: soy, corn and wheat.

      Furthermore – saying waste from the cows pollutes our ocean really demonstrates your ignorance on this topic. Manure from cows literally builds topsoil, while monocrops destroy it and pull nutrients from the soil until it’s completely depleted. Manure puts nutrients into the soil. What pollutes our oceans is the fertilizer runoff from these monocrops, which have created a deadzone in the Gulf the size of Delaware. That’s not from grass-fed beef; that’s from the massive amount of chemical fertilizers sprayed on these monocrops. Something vegans seem to ignore. Let’s consider the amount of sea life killed to sustain this type of plant based diet.

      Lastly, it’s pretty well known that yeast extract is another term the food industry uses for MSG. So you should probably reexamine what you think it bullshit.

  44. oh, and a couple of things I would like to hear your specific answer on hoping that you might correct the mistakes in an update to the article.

    1. The Caramel Colour used in Beyond Meat products is Class I – E150a (I emailed the company about it and then cross-checked with a nutritional PhD friend of mine at Manchester University) contains and uses no sulfites or ammonia in its production.

    2. The Canola Oil thing. I think someone mentioned this to you and as it’s Expeller Pressed, the video you have above is totally misleading in this case, it bears no relation to how this form of Canola Oil is made. No chemicals are used in this form of Canola Oil. I use it all the time, it’s lovely.

    3. You are just completely wrong to correlate the chemically and artificially manufactured MSG with Yeast Extract. I’m sure you know this. It’s an easy thing to verify. Whether MSG is or is not a good thing has no relevance to the Beyond products as far as I can tell, unless they are just lying and stick it in anyway. But Yeast Extract is definitely not MSG.

    Regarding Carrageenan, you are citing quite an old study which Helen (my PhD friend) says was largely debunked by a more recent study by Dr James M McKim, Jr.

    “Not only was McKim unable to replicate the negative effects Tobacman has reported, his research showed carrageenan has no measurable effects on cells and provides strong evidence that carrageenan consumed in foods and beverages would not cause inflammation in humans.”

    So for this maybe a slight modification of the “all but guarantees it’s going to…” line might be helpful in the interest of balance for your readers.

    That leaves Soy (which is highly debatable but there are many studies that do question it’s health benefits) and Titanium dioxide, the danger of which is dependent on the size of the particles. I’ve emailed Beyond Meat to see if they can give us some clarification on this, but haven’t heard anything back yet.

    • dani Reply

      1 – Even if it does not contain ammonia or sulfites (which I’m not agreeing with), caramel color is still a dangerous, processed food additive. It may contain 4-methylimidazole (a carcinogen), not to mention the fact that it’s simply a processed food linked to cancer and should just be avoided. Why am I even debating this?

      2 – Even if the canola oil is extracted without hexane – it’s still an extremely processed food. It is still bleached and deodorized because canola oil is a rancid, highly processed industrial oil. Again, why am I even debating this? These are clearly food byproducts that should be avoided. These are not whole, healthy foods. Obviously.

      3 – Yeast extract is just another name for MSG. This is well known in the food industry. Naturally occurring glutamate, like that found in tomatoes, is fine to consume. Chemically processed monosodium glutamate, not so much.

      4 – I referenced numerous studied linking carrageenan to numerous health issues. Just because a study is more recent does not mean it’s more accurate. The only thing your provided study states is that carrageenan does not bind to TLR4 and is not cytotoxic to HEK293 cells. Which I’m not agreeing with, but this is one tiny study versus numerous well established studies linking carrageen to cancer and intestinal issues. Here’s one linking carrageenan to insulin resistance:

      And yet another one linking carrageenan to impaired glucose tolerance and inflammation:

      There are tons of others, in addition to what I’ve listed here as well as in the article. There is well established data proving that carrageenan is linked to numerous health issues. At the very least, it’s an easy food additive to avoid. Unless of course, you’re regularly consuming Beyond Meat products.

      I’m not entirely sure why anyone would argue so hard in favor of such processed food, especially processed food with well established information linking it to numerous health issues.

  45. I’ll just take the one and leave it after that, because this is such bad misinformation I feel your readers need the clarification (if they’ve got this far!)

    “3 – Yeast extract is just another name for MSG. This is well known in the food industry. Naturally occurring glutamate, like that found in tomatoes, is fine to consume. Chemically processed monosodium glutamate, not so much.”

    No. It. Isn’t. Not that it particularly matters, the main issue with people hating on MSG is that it’s added in over-large quantities to so many foods and takes over any other flavours. But Yeast Extract it isn’t. (And MSG occurs naturally as well). They are similar, sure, but they are not the same thing.

    Yeast extract is made from yeast, usually, often brewers yeast.

    MSG, as you know, was originally extracted from seaweed. But these days instead of extracting and crystallizing MSG from seaweed broth, MSG is produced by the fermentation of starch, sugar beets, sugar cane or molasses. This fermentation process is similar to that used to make yogurt, vinegar and wine.

    The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) requires products that contain MSG to state this on the label. Foods that contain yeast extract don’t need to specify that they contain MSG. Beyond Meat clearly states that their products do not contain MSG, they could be lying I suppose, but they’d be wide open to being sued.

    I’m not interested in playing the game of my scientists are better than your scientists, all I’m trying to show is that things really aren’t as cut and dried as you make them out to be. This absolutist rhetoric is not particularly helpful for people trying to make an informed choice.

    • Jonathan cozier Reply

      thank you so much for your work here, these “ancestor” , appeal to nature/tradition fallacy obsessed paleo morons and their views are so misleading and ignorant, borderline dangerous and fanatical, yet veganism is the cult lol. WE FOLLOW SCIENCE AND REASON, paleo’s only care about emotion and fetishize this “ancrestral” way of living, its so asinine its nauseating. i only found this shit show of a page because i wanted some scientific research on the burger.

      • dani Reply

        Yeah…you are leaving several angry, incoherent comments with no scientific information so…

  46. Hmmm…Author, you would certainly change your views on eating cows and pigs if you were to die and come back as a cow or a pig. You would think n hurt and suffer. Because they do “think” n hurt n suffer. Also, if the state of our own health and our planet (severe weather changes, natural disasters) and all the scientific reports don’t ring clear enough to you as FACT, then i have to believe you are completely misguided. You have dissected the Beyond burger in effort to expose it as unhealthy. Not so much in effort to find the truth. So many foods out there can be dissected this same way and the findings would result worse health risks than the vegan burger. Eating animals, no matter how they were fed when they lived, is beyond unecessary, cruel and harmful to our own existance. It is clear that Karma is real .. hence the cancer epidemic, clogged arteries from cow, pig and chicken cholesterol causing us heart disease, strokes, tumor masses, failing kidneys and more. Eating grass fed animas is good for no one. Eating the GRASS, well that’s a sensable thing! You are missing the big picture Mr. author.

  47. This is just about the most ridiculous article I’ve ever read. The author thinks Beyond Meat is bad, so therefore eating grass-fed cows is the way to go? Aside from this disingenuous conclusion, conspicuously absent is the mountain of evidence showing how detrimental eating animals is to health and the environment (but conspicuously present, of course, are the author’s nasty responses to readers who point them out). And for every study cited above, there are an equal amount of ones showing that the studies above are flawed and misleading, that the evil ingredients in BM are harmless. Truly, though: anyone who would fallaciously conclude that BM is bad and to therefore eat cows should not be trusted. Honestly this is the same crap from people who tell you that coconut oil is good for you and all processed foods are bad and vaccines cause autism.

    • dani Reply

      If there are so many studies refuting my point, please go ahead and provide one. But let me save you some time: there is no study that indicates a diet rich in vegetables, healthy fats and grass-fed/wild meat and seafood (the diet I recommend) is harmful in anyway whatsoever. Fact.

  48. Soy Protein Isolate???
    I wish you would have spoken about pea protein, the main ingredient. You went on to describe soy protein isolate which is not actually listed as an ingredient in a Beyond Beef Burger. You might want to correct this, otherwise you’re not addressing the main ingredient but another ingredient that is completely irrelevant in this discussion.

    • dani Reply

      It’s in the other products which is why I addressed this ingredient.

      • Hi Dani,
        I’m not against anyone’s opinion here but I keep reading trying to find the truth. Its a roller coaster of info.

        All I can add is the fact of what happend to me.

        I hated the thought of being Vegan and still fight to be because I travel with my job. I miss meat but cant go back because I fixed everything that was going wrong with me. My cholesterol was over 300 and I could only get a one year on my medcard for my CDL license because of my blood pressure. I was 262 lbs

        I went Vegan because I had nothing to lose. After 6 months I had my blood work done to see what’s happing. My cholesterol was normal, liver and kidney normal and lost over 30 lbs. Now its been 20 weeks Vegan, i take B12 everyday and lost a total of 72 lbs. I also drink tons of beer and keep losing weight.
        I told my Doctor about the beer and he wasn’t worried about it that much because I fixed so much that was going wrong.

        Bottom line, I don’t know who’s right or wrong but I do know what did and is still happening to me. I felt you and everyone else should read a TRUE life story.

        • dani Reply

          That’s great! Many people find initial improvements in health and weight loss when going vegan because it’s definitely healthier than a typical American diet of fast food, refined carbohydrates, processed food, etc. My concern lies in long-term vegan diets, which are both unsustainable for the planet and people. It can lead to severe nutrient deficiencies.

  49. Hey Dani, Thanks for this article. I think you are right in every way. Vegans are blinded to what they think is environmentally friendly yet local farmers are producing food to countless people while creating a very tiny footprint on the environment in the process. They treat the animals with respect. I get a big crate of frozen meat from a local farmer every month and it is amazing quality and I know that I am not contributing to the factory farming of animals or the destruction of natural habitats by monocrops. I hope that more people like you who educate themselves on the dangers of monocrops would speak out and educate like you are. Thanks.

    • dani Reply

      Thank you, Corey! That really means a lot. These people just have no idea about true sustainability or environmental science. They probably haven’t even heard of a monocrop – and I’m not faulting them for that at all. It’s just dangerous when so many people think being vegan will save the earth when that’s truly not the case.

  50. The fact that this conversation had gone on for so long just shows me what a DISSERVICE to our young/old society that our politicians, health officials, advocates, and educators have done to this society. What a shame! Eating fresh food, either meat or vegetarian in moderation keeps you in good health. Creation tells us that, God gave humanity the dominion over the animals, and in addition, the responsibility to be the caretakers of the animals on this earth. God gave us plants and animals to eat…but along with that gift, the responsibility to treat them humanely, in moderation and wisely. Studies are pretty pointless because they can change with different input parameters or with the societal agenda’s. If you live long enough, you find this point to be right on the money. I hope this helps those of you who find this discussion lacking common sense at every level, on both sides.

  51. Thanks for the article. If I were you I wouldn’t even waste my time replying to these zombie vegans. They aren’t interested in eating food that is actually healthy to them. They are masochists that actively agree that the health and lives of animals are the only thing that matter. A sick and dangerous cult. It’s amazing to see the responses as it’s clear most of the commenters didn’t read the article, refuse to even consider the studies and then refer to movies like “what the health” and “conspiracy” as their proof and motivations behind eaten vegan. Hilarious. These people are dangerous, to themselves and other humans. Thanks again for providing the proof about this disgusting copies of burgers keep pressing on

    • dani Reply

      Thanks Collin! Yes, it does appear that most people don’t want to have an educated, civilized discussion.

      • Educate yourself on the destruction of the planet due to animal farming.
        The pollution from raising animals exceeds the total pollution emissions of ALL automobiles, Planes, Ships, and Railroads.
        Plus, grass-fed animals are getting regular doses of drugs that you ingest when eating the meat.
        You think eating red meat, chicken and pork is healthier than a plant-based diet?
        And animals do have feelings and rights – it’s idiots like you and the author that need to educate yourselves before passing judgement on having a plant-based diet simply because you found one product to be unhealthy.

        • dani Reply

          Please actually read the article before commenting. I will state, yet again, that I agree that factory farmed animals are horrible for the environment (and they’re treated horribly).

          Grass-fed, local, organic farms build soil, sequester carbon, are not given “drugs” and are incredibly nutrient dense.

          Before telling me to educate myself, which I’ve done for over ten years in this field, maybe you should actually read the article before commenting. You entire argument is completely invalid.

  52. Jonathan cozier Reply

    WE WOULD HAVE TO CONVERT THE ENTIRE BIOMASS TO GRAZABLE LAND AKA DESTROY THE EARTH IN ORDER TO PUSH YOUR IDIOTIC FANTASY OF A “GRASS FED” MEAT SYSTEM TO FEED BILLIONS OF PEOPLE, JUST TAKE ONE LOOK AT THE AMAZON RAIN FOREST You are seriously the most entitled, delusional and arrogant human being I have ever had the displeasure of seeing speak, your inability to handle any form of a counter argument, criticism is fucking pathetic, how old are you?. Just because you botched your sad attempt of a vegetarian diet and made no effort to get blood work done or go see a medical doctor to see what you needed (btw, read that article and holy fuck you love to mislead people and clearly did no research yourself before taking on that diet and lifestyle, even though you told people to do research lol, ) does not mean that you or any of your nutritional course textbooks are correct in anyway about veganism, do you have a PHD? Are you a Chemist? Scientist? no, just some bitter person that needs to feel validated.

    p.s. in relationto that joke of a “vegetarianism ruined my life” garbage article, b12 aka cobalamin is a bacteria found in soil that is only present in meat because animals eat grass and most farms even have to use suppliments on the grazing animals There is also, literally no reason you cant just utilize the suppliment

    PLEASE stop bullshitting people, you have already unfortunately converted your bf to this nonsense

    • dani Reply

      I’m not sure which is more prominent in your comments: your anger or your ignorance.

    • Plantivore Reply

      Its funny how on the ingredients of grass fed beef or any meat for that matter, they dont list the massive amounts of drugs and hormones your also ingesting. All of the studies you cited were also the smallest studies ever and funded by the meat and or dairy industry. And if you arent taking a cut of profit then your an even bigger idiot for writing this for free. And wtf species csn you name that was completely wiped out from farming vegetables?

      • dani Reply

        Please, I beg of you, READ an article before commenting. I have stated numerous times that I only support grass-fed, organic meat from local, family farms. These animals do not contain “massive amounts of drugs and hormones.” They eat grass and drink water and sometimes have organic supplemental feed. The ingredient list is: grass-fed organic meat.

  53. Also, isn’t all food bad for you? I’ve been eating nothing but lasagna and muffins my entire life and I feel terrible.

    • dani Reply

      HAHAHA this comment is so good. I’m literally laughing out loud. Thanks Ren!

  54. Thank you for your take, I consider it informational and good food for thought. Initially I was not crazy about the point you made about red meat, but after reading a few of the comments and your reply; I do not think your message was clearly understood. In my opinion I believe you are discussing “real locally sourced foods” to make your argument valid and others are using the “meat is murder” argument to validate their own. I do not consume meat and I am able to get all of my essential nutrients and minerals, but I also do not consume processed foods even if they are “vegan” Personally I would rather discuss the things without getting emotions involved, because I believe the author and the detractors all made valid points we could learn from.

    • dani Reply

      Thanks Larry. And yes, I think people misunderstand me or simply didn’t read the article. In no way to I condone industrialized meat products. I’m talking local, grass-fed, organic beef. There’s a huge distinction there.

  55. Excuse me, Mrs. Andrews, I’m a student in high school and up till reading your article about Beyond Meat, I was entirely in favor of supporting their organization’s goals. However, the issues you’ve brought up are slightly confusing for me to understand. By suggesting grass-fed meat sources would be superior to Beyond Meat products, it seems to me that you are ignoring their ideas behind climate change and land usage. Now, I understand their website may have bias, but 51 percent of global greenhouse gas emissions produced by animals seems quite a bit to me. And by switching to plant-based meats are we not removing this issue almost entirely? Then there is the idea of global resource constraints. I understand your logic behind needing more landmass to support all vegan food sources. As well as the issues behind monocropping. But if we are able to remove the need for livestock production, are we not able to better use our resources in favor of Beyond Meats solution. But it seems to me that the main issue you’re having from the Beyond Meat burger is the healthiness of it. Now I do not claim to be a food expert, but through many reputable sources, there are claims that meats are the sole cause behind many cases of cancers and heart disease. So it seems to me that there is an issue between meat being almost if not equally unhealthy to the Beyond Meat burger. Therefore I would like to know if you think the Beyond Meats ideals while if not healthier than grass-fed beef, would be preferable to provide a more sustainable and overall better way to support our living system? Their ideals being that plant-based meats eliminate the issues discussed in their pages and that while monocropping is an issue, there may be alternative plants that Beyond Meat has not used.

    • dani Reply

      Cameron, thanks for your comments.

      So to answer your question, no, Beyond Meat is not more sustainable. For several reasons that are way too complex for me to adequate address in a comment but I’ll quickly try.

      First, 51% of greenhouse gas emissions are NOT from grass-fed based farming systems. They are from a combination of industrialized feedlots and agriculture (ie: all the corn and soy grown for these animals). This is a huge mistake people make.

      Grass-fed animals are not only amazing for the earth, they literally sequester carbon in the ground, where it’s needed to produce healthy soil. Their manure feeds the soil. This is another point people do not understand. If animals don’t feed the soil – what does? Chemical fertilizers made from fossil fuels.

      So while people want to eliminate livestock entirely – they really have no idea how food is grown, how land is properly managed or how nature works. Again, grass-fed animals feed the soil. If we eliminate them, we then rely on chemical fertilizers made from fossil fuel. Which eventually will destroy the soil to the point where no food can be grown on it.

      Lastly, as a practicing nutritionist for coming up on ten years, no, Beyond Meat is not healthier than grass-fed beef. Grass-fed beef has never been linked to cancer or heart disease. These studies to not exist. And studies linking meat at all to cancer or heart disease are questionable at best. Grass-fed meat is incredibly nutrient dense (it contains conjugated linoelic acid which is anti-carcinogenic, B vitamins, iron, omega-3s, etc).

  56. Thank you for this brilliant article!
    Finally found one with good arguments not to buy that vegan stuff.
    I find it hypocrite that vegans are making fake meat, while condemning those eating the real thing!
    A well balanced diet with fish, organic meat, dairy, vegetables and fruits, where you don’t consume more calories than burned, is my choice.
    Your answers were well!.
    I also find it difficult to discuss with vegans when they speak of moral issues and continue to use fossil fuel as if that’s no problem…
    Vegans also use plastic bags and send up balloons falling down in the ocean and polluting the earth with their cars. Seems like a double moral!
    Food is also supposed to be enjoyed, not only a nutrition. I don’t take any supplements. If humans were meant to eat only plant based food, why do vegans take supplements?
    I make my own bread and grow some vegetables and herbs.
    We have wild cod/fish on the menu 3 times a week and we are healthy and happy! The UN just scored the Scandinavians as the happiest on Earth.
    Greetings from Norway! A country with lots of quiet, pure nature! ?
    Keep up your good work!

  57. I am currently working on getting this post off of page one of Google for the search term BEYOND BURGER. And no, it’s not by asking Google. This post is completely misleading and serves no purpose other than promoting the beef industry, which I am sure who helped pay for the SEO to get this post on page one of the search results. People searching for info on this product should be given just that, factual info.

    • This article and the comments from the author do not promote the beef industry.

      To the contrary, it speaks against it, many times, of the damages to the animals, our health, and the planet from the commercial beef industry.

      If you read correctly, it promotes natural grass fed beef grown by local farmers.

      I can’t believe the number of individuals posting here that can’t grasp that fact, despite it being repeated countless times. It takes away from the attempt to promote intelligent discussion here

      • Oh, and I have absolutely no affiliation with the author, commenters, the website or any advertisers. I don’t completely agree with anyone’s opinion here.

        I ended up here because of a duck duck go search for these “burgers”. Not trusting google’s search process as being unbiased, I use duck duck go, hoping for some integrity in the process.

        I was hoping these products would be a healthy alternative but I can see they’re not, from looking at other info I found before and what I’ve read here.

        Thank goodness for freedom of speech and free internet, although I did have to pay for a service provider, which I can no longer afford. Sigh…

  58. Logan Jamieson Reply

    Why are you so hostile with everyone commenting here? Maybe you’d focus better with some plant-based b12, like from Dulse, or Shiitake mushrooms. In all seriousness, you’ve been fighting with people on here for over 2 years and fail to admit that grass-fed beef for all humans is not achievable. It’s an elitist point of view (something meat-eaters love to accuse vegans of) and fails to realize the harm of saturated fat and cholesterol in regards to heart disease (which has been “Beyond” epidemiological proven, and even mechanistically). The environmental damage alone outlined by the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations alone shows just how bad pasture cattle are compared to the less-welfare-concerned industrial farmed cattle. In 2050, our projected population is 10 billion. It’s been show by Joseph Poole that the business as usual approach won’t work (only 40% work, of over 200 tests), but that all vegan scenarios work to sustain human life. Beyond Meat is great for people who otherwise don’t watch what they eat, but if you’re concerned with oil or soy protein isolate, than it’s easy to avoid on a vegan diet. But, presenting grass-fed beef as an alternative is just a bad move, because Beyond Meat has not been declared a carcinogen, like beef has, by the World Health Organization. Dani, you’re a woman, realizing the pain that cow’s are put through for dairy (cows who eventually become beef), means that you cannot call yourself a feminist. Of course, you have a vested interest, but you’re a mother – so imagine being pregnant for 9 months only to have your child taken away. Well, that’s the gestation period that cows are put through simply so people can enjoy milk and cheese. You’re putting money before morals.

    • dani Reply

      Your feminist argument is interesting, I’ll give you that. I will think about that so thanks for bringing it to my attention.

      I will reiterate that saturated fat and cholesterol are not harmful or unhealthy in any way, shape or form. This idea is based on outdated, poor science. It simply is no longer valid and anyone who believes it has not kept up with current research. I have studied this for years. Our cell membranes are made up of saturated fat. Our brains are made up of saturated fat. Cholesterol is a necessary component in our bodies and we would die without it.

      I actually think I’m putting morals at the forefront here. A vegan diet is incredibly harmful to the environment and to animal populations. I recommend the book The Vegetarian Myth.

  59. We love Beyond Meat! There’s no antibiotics, e-coli, rotting meat sitting in our gut making us fat and lazy. Beyond Meat taste great. Best plant based burger on market! Once they invent beyond beacon and cheese, we’re having beacon cheese burgers every night !!

    • dani Reply

      Bacon cheeseburgers every night seems excessive but you do you.

  60. So, it’s better to eat grass-fed meat than it is to eat Beyond Meat products. I’m not a nutritionist or a scientist and I don’t have the time to do a bunch or research on the topic. Thus, I’ll take your word for it because you seem to be relatively well-informed and experienced on the topic.

    My only question is how or why is it ethical to raise a cow from birth and then murder it so that people can eat it? I understand that some of the local farmers treat their animals well and the cows only eat grass. And I suppose that’s a lot better than what usually occurs on the larger farms.

    Do the animals deserve to be killed? They certainly must feel fear and pain. They have emotions and feelings. They are conscious, sentient beings who feel the same amount of pain as humans, or dogs, or cats, or any other living creature. So, why is it better to kill, slaughter, and eventually eat an innocent animal than to choose not to?

    I’m aware that animals in the wild kill and eat each other. But, they do so out of necessity and genetic predisposition. So, I question why we, as an intelligent species, continue to kill and eat animals knowing that the animals feel fear and pain? They don’t want to die. Just like people don’t want to die. I think that’s the secret of life for any living creature: Not dying.

    If you want to slam me, like you’ve done so many of the other people who have asked you questions, feel free. I’m not here to argue or try to prove a point through scientific research. I’m only questioning why it’s better to kill and eat an animal than it is to eat food that doesn’t contain meat or other animal products? Even if it’s better for our health, as you’ve stated, it certainly isn’t better for the health of the animals.

    • dani Reply

      I suggest reading the book The Vegetarian Myth. It does a far job of explaining the answer to your question than I ever could.

      You can get it on Amazon:

    • found the article interesting based on the recent IPO of beyond Meat yesterday. i tried to read through most of the comments and i have to say Dani pretty much crushed everyone lol appreciate the write up , opened up my eyes a little trying to see both sides (through responses of others) of the debate on sustainability and healthy living.

  61. I loved this article and find myself adequately well-versed on the matter. I am a vegetarian (used to be vegan) and agree with everything Dani says in this post. From a health standpoint, the Impossible Burger is NOT good for you. I said to my mom recently (because I think they are starting to use this patty at Burger King?) I would honestly rather eat organic grass-fed meat (health-wise) than to eat this.

    I am 100% not for the killing of animals and from a humanistic standpoint take the Beyond Burger over meat every day of the week, HOWEVER, from a health standpoint – I would take the grass fed meat over the Beyond Burger. There is no real food in it at all and certainly no vegetables. Health-wise – I would argue that it’s just as bad for you as meat.

    For me, I’ll just pass on both, stick with my homemade bean burgers and call it a day.

    • dani Reply

      I respect that very much! We may have differing ideologies when it comes to you being vegetarian and me an ethical omnivore, but thank you for providing a rational argument. And good for you for making your own veg burgers!

  62. I took the time to read through article and the comments , and I am amassed that all those who bash the author are so ignorant (understatement), do not pay attention to details and just simply are hung up on their own righteousness of being a vegan or whatever that is. i call it does not see forest for the trees. Dani is right in every aspect of what she claims, anyone who has been involved with farming could see that, unlike those city slickers who claim that they know all about farming by being able to determine cucumber from potato.
    There is simply so many topics in the comments are distracting from the mail focal point- Beyond Meat products contain additives. thats it. the commenting people ventured into topics like responsible farming, carbon footprint, kosher animal killing for food, soja, corn, etc. In addition their statements are just screaming with anger. wow. I am really impressed with Dani and her composed responses.
    to all vegans all I can say that this is the example of another mania, hybrid cars(like Prius). when paul McCartney wanted to be with the it crowd of the time, he ordered hybrid lexus. got it flown from Japan. that negated the whole point of carbon emittion reduction. besides, making the batteries for hybrids creates more co emittion somewhere else, mining fro lithium, processing , etc. it pollutes in China, vs polluting in California.
    Hats off to Dani.I wish I could right like her, let alone think like her.

    oh, and what happened to that Harward 4.0 gpa nutritianist, I wonder. 🙂 still high salary from pulling the wool over other vegans..

  63. All I know is, I haven’t eaten pork, ham or red meat of any kind for 19 years and I have had the flu once since then, once. Hmmm. It’s cool though, everyone wants to stand for something and anyone has the right to stand for anything. So there you have it. People will eat what they want, regardless of articles such as this whether the information provided is a conspiracy theory or straight scientific facts. We as humans are programmed to do things even when we know they are bad for us. Fro example, I could write an article about smoking and how bad it is for you and how many studies have proved it has caused cancer with SOLID facts, and someone would most likely go through a half a pack of cigarettes and a half a bottle of whiskey while reading it. Just keep in mind that there are three topics that you’re going to catch hell for writing about any way you look at it; Politics, Religion, and ANYTHING involving the meat industry, grass-fed or not. Keep your head up.

  64. Thank you for aggregating all this information and providing it to us.

    I had no idea yeast extract is MSG. The information on canola was eye opening. Didnt realize there are worthless Omega-3s out there.

    Keep up the good work!

    PS: work on your responses to idiots and you’re golden.

  65. These comments are ridiculous!!
    THANK YOU DANI for taking the time to write this and spread the truth.
    Veganism is not healthy. Veganism is not sustainable. Veganism is colonialist propaganda.
    It is f a k e. Not only was I a vegan for TEN years of my life beginning at age 17- I was HIGHLY
    knowledgable in nutrition. Iwasn;t one of the ignorant vegans who didn’t supplement with B12, Iodine, Zinc, Taurine, K2. Even still, my health became worse and worse and worse. Supplements are not absorbed by our bodies like fat-soluble nutrients from flesh are. ALA from plant foods is BARELY converted into DHA. Cholesterol is VITAL for the creation of ALL hormones.
    The ignorance in these comments is honestly disturbing. And why the hell is everyone acting like the author is “yelling and being mean” in her responses??? every single response by the author is straightforward and grounded and reasonable, even after she was literally called names by vegans.

    There is NOTHING NOTHING immoral about eating animals!!!!!!!! God put them on earth to be food! i dont give a F CK what anyone says. AND NO IM NOT TALKING ABOUT FACTORY FAMRED ANIMALS I AM TALKING ABOUT GRAZING ANIMALS. IF WE DID NOT NEED TO EAT ANIMALS THAN WE WOULD NOT NEED SUPPLEMENTS.

    vegans need to get over themselves. all their pride and arrogance. if you really want to be close to nature then go live on a farm, grow some vegetables and kill a cow, just like all of our ancestors did.your vegan diet is literally doing nothing beneficial for the planet at all, hate to break it to you.
    just go re-watch what the health to make yourselves feel better abut your choices.

    ah, lastly. there are literally zeros studies proving meat or cholesterol are bad for the health. every single study is using GRAIN-fed meat in conjunction with Omega 6 plant oils + processed flours + sugar AKA a S A Diet. There are ZERO, ZERO studies on organic, local, whole food, omnivorous grass-fed meat diets.

  66. So then what do you suggest to be done? Obviously we don’t want any more animal suffering just like you wouldn’t want to kill your own baby why should we kill another life’s baby? This is a sad world to fight for survival but since we are so highly intelligent and know so much and have a conscience then why kill a life who cries to stay alive?

    • dani Reply

      You do kill animals, you just don’t see them being killed. Animals are killed, millions of them, to produce food. Whether it’s animals being killed from plowing down fields to grow soy, marine life being killed to grow soy/corn/wheat and the runoff that has created a deadzone in the Gulf the size of Delaware – animals are killed for you to eat. I just choose to acknowledge this fact and eat in a way that kills the least animals – ie: local, sustainable, from my pasture based farmer.

  67. Thank you for this article, you’ve reminded me of several things I had researched and learned myself, but had forgotten in the cacophony of “HEALTHY” “SUSTAINABLE” “GOOD FOR YOU” nonsense programmed into us day by day. Ignore the haters, they drink hatorade™ and live on soy. Thank you thank you thank you for writing this article. They can all eat carcinogens for ‘color’ and ‘texture’. As for me, I’m going with food from my garden, eggs from grass fed pastured chickens, and beef pork lamb and chicken from local farmers. F this factory shit. This is garbage.

  68. I’m sitting in the toilet and searching for Beyond Meat gave you diarrhea. I had it first time yesterday as my husband persuaded me to try. So, I gave it a try and 5 hrs. later I ran into the toilet. Now, it is 4pm in Hong Kong, I’m still suffering from diarrhea, stomachache. Furthermore details, I found out the cooking smell was so horrible, it smelled like cooking rubber or something which is not human food.
    Beyond Meat, beyond unhealthy.

  69. Tip to the author: It’s hard to take an arrogant person seriously. Belies some underlying issue. Work on responding to people without resorting to name-calling; it would improve your credibility.

    • dani Reply

      I haven’t name called a single person on this thread. I don’t name call literally at all, I never have in my arguments and I never will. Responding passionately in something I believe in isn’t arrogance, it’s confidence. I know it’s hard to swallow coming from a woman, but I this is something I’ve studied for ten years and I know my stuff.

  70. I was always told that You can catch more bees with honey. I am hoping that people on both sides remember that. Often times I feel like vegan are very aggressive and this author has responded in a similar way. Ultimately we all want the same thing; health. I was raised vegetarian, have gone vegan and eaten meat at times. I wish I could say that I have had no health issues being vegan/vegetarian, perhaps there are many things that I need to do more research on. I looked up this topic because of the recent information that the impossible burger contains pesticides. I am glad that the author has highlighted the fact that any “fake” meat mass-produced needs to be researched. I am 47 yrs old and was raised on Loma Linda, Morning Star and Worthington products. Many of my church religious community are being seen to have health issues from these type products that we have consumed all our lives. I LOVE eating these products but I know now that this is not the best thing for humans because of being processed. I am striving to grow my own food and eat less of these meat substitutes and closer to the whole clean food model. I appreciate all information. It is up to us to research behind everything that is posted and not everything is for everybody. Wish either the author or one of the commenters would post a healthy/ tasty vegeburger recipe!!

    • dani Reply

      You’re right, that’s a saying I use too! I swear I’m a nice person, my writing can come off as harsh. And honestly, I know I can come off as harsh in person as well when this topic comes up. I’m just fiery about it. It’s something I’m incredibly passionate about. Thanks for your comment and while I’m not the best person to make a veggie burger recipe (just not my wheelhouse) I’ve heard Pinch of Yum has really delicious ones! Check them out here:

  71. So many comments based on feelings -like animal abuse or hug the planet garbage…whatever; I’ve been zero carb (meaning only eating animals) for 6 months and am in better shape than half the commenters on here that are anti-fact. Leaves more for me. My six pack is here to prove it as well as my last physical and blood work done a week ago (turning 50 this year). My rule on food – if it’s processed or ‘man made’ then it’s crap – this philosophy has not let me down.

  72. Atomic Nixon Reply

    Just wondering… Why is it that whenever I dig beyond the Fear Factor headlines in any article like this, I always find that the indisputable “evidence” is in the form of a single study that took the form of injecting massive amounts of X or Y directly into the brains of rats or something.
    Also wondering… are there any writers out there who actually take more than five seconds to verify anything they claim to have expertise in before berating all us idiots who just wasted our time actually reading a bunch of stupid studies and WAKE UP SHEEPLE!
    Just wondering… Are cupcakes ok? Because you know, like, cupcakes!!!

  73. People can eat what they want to eat. It’s the free markets system. I knew an 89 year old guy that ate bread and red meat all his life. He would not eat pork or chicken. And the meat he ate wasn’t grass-fed until the last few years. So go ahead with your vegan bullshit. People have been living long lives before all of this new made up food systems. Go ahead, eat this man-made lab food, and let’s see how long you live.

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