So, you think by buying a Beyond Meat Burger, you’re doing yourself and the environment a favor? Think twice. I took a look at the ingredients and here’s my honest review! 

You may have heard about that new Beyond Meat Burger.

This new plant-based burger that tastes and even bleeds like a real burger. If that isn’t enough to weird you out, I don’t know what is.

Weird as it seems to me, I’m much more concerned with the actual ingredients of this beyond meat burger. Especially when the product touts itself as not just healthy, but sustainable.

Is Beyond Meat actually healthy? Is it actually sustainable?

After taking a look at the ingredients, the answer is hell no. Not even close.

Let’s examine.

The original Beyond Meat burger:

Beyond Meat Is Beyond Unhealthy: an honest, unbiased review of this plant-based protein shows it's actually full of carcinogens.

The Beast Burger:

Beyond Meat Is Beyond Unhealthy: an honest, unbiased review of this plant-based protein shows it's actually full of carcinogens.

Grilled Chicken Strips:

Beyond Meat Is Beyond Unhealthy: an honest, unbiased review of this plant-based protein shows it's actually full of carcinogens.

Beefy Crumble:

Beyond Meat Is Beyond Unhealthy: an honest, unbiased review of this plant-based protein shows it's actually full of carcinogens.

There are many ingredients in these products that are both unhealthy and unsustainable.

Soy Protein Isolate

Processed soy is particularly bad. Whereas fermented, organic soy in small amounts (like natto) does not pose serious health risks, eating soy protein isolate will definitely take its toll on the body.

Some effects of soy include decreased libido, mood swings, depression, and several others.

This study from Harvard found that men consuming the equivalent of one cup of soy milk per day had 50% lower sperm count than men who did not consume soy. That includes even counting other factors like age, caffeine and alcohol intake, etc.

Just wait. There’s more.

This study found that soy stimulated the growth of estrogen-dependent tumors found in breast cancer. And this one found the same thing.

This study found that,

“…this pilot study indicates that prolonged consumption of soy protein isolate has a stimulatory effect on the premenopausal female breast, characterized by increased secretion of breast fluid, the appearance of hyperplastic epithelial cells, and elevated levels of plasma estradiol. These findings are suggestive of an estrogenic stimulus from the isoflavones genistein and daidzein contained in soy protein isolate.

Soy is high in phytic acid, also known as phytates. These phytates prevent the absorption of minerals like iron and calcium (among others). This can be particularly harmful, especially for children.

Additionally, soy is high in phytoestrogen (source). This can block normal estrogen, wich leads not just to hormonal imbalance, but even breast cancer.

Note: this is why my periods were so heavy, painful and irregular when I was a vegetarian as a teen.

The processing that soy protein isolate undergoes is also a huge cause for concern.

Dr. Mercola describes the process,

“Soy protein isolate is not something you can make in your own kitchen. Production takes place in industrial factories where a slurry of soy beans is first mixed with an alkaline solution to remove fiber, then precipitated and separated using an acid wash and, finally, neutralized in an alkaline solution.

Acid washing in aluminum tanks leaches high levels of aluminum into the final product. The resultant curds are spray- dried at high temperatures to produce a high-protein powder.”

Canola Oil

Watch this video:

To sum up the video:

The rapeseeds are first highly pressurized, forcing out the oil. To extract the last of the oil, the canola cakes undergo a 70-minute wash with a “chemical solvent.” This chemical solvent, my friends, is hexane. A neurotoxin.

Then the oil enters the refining phase, in which the oil is washed with sodium hydroxide, a.k.a. lye. After this, the oil is clearer but still contains waxes.

In addition, the oil is cooled to 41 degrees to filter out the wax. After this, the oil is bleached to remove the color. Then comes “a steam injection heating process to remove the odor.”

One tablespoon of canola oil contains 2,610 mg of omega-6 fatty acids and 1,279 mg omega-3 fatty acids. That’s a lot of omega-6, which causes inflammation.

While it’s true that our bodies need omega-6, it’s in everything.

Fans of canola oil love to tout the omega-3 to omega-6 ratio, but it’s still a lot of omega-6. Plus, the omega-3 found in canola oil isn’t even beneficial (as opposed to omega-3s found in foods like fish).

The omega-3s found in canola oil are ALA, alpha lipoic acid. ALA does not convert well to EPA or DHA, which are the beneficial omega-3s that protect the brain, heart, and heart health.

So promoting the omega-3 content in canola oil is redundant – the omega-3s in canola oil do not contain the beneficial EPA and DHA.

Caramel Color

Don’t confuse this with actual caramel (made of cream and sugar). This substance contains ammonia and sulfites.

You can find caramel color in soft drinks like Coke or Pepsi. Johns Hopkins did a study on the caramel color found in these drinks and determined that it is indeed a carcinogen.

“Soft drink consumers are being exposed to an avoidable and unnecessary cancer risk from an ingredient that is being added to these beverages simply for aesthetic purposes,” says Keeve Nachman, PhD, senior author of the study and director of the Food Production and Public Health Program at the CLF and an assistant professor at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health “This unnecessary exposure poses a threat to public health and raises questions about the continued use of caramel coloring in soda.”  Source

Yeast Extract aka Monosodium Glutamate (MSG)

MSG hides under many names and yeast extract is one of them. MSG is an excitotoxin, i.e. it overstimulates the nervous system.

From The University of Toyama in Japan,

“We previously reported that injection of monosodium glutamate (MSG) in ICR mice leads to the development of significant inflammation, central obesity, and type 2 diabetes. To directly address the long-term consequences of MSG on inflammation, we have performed serial analysis of MSG-injected mice and focused in particular on liver pathology.

By 6 and 12 months of age, all MSG-treated mice developed NAFLD and NASH-like histology, respectively. In particular, the murine steatohepatitis at 12 months was virtually indistinguishable from human NASH. Further, dysplastic nodular lesions were detected in some cases within the fibrotic liver parenchyma.

We submit that MSG treatment of mice induces obesity and diabetes with steatosis and steatohepatitis resembling human NAFLD and NASH with pre-neoplastic lesions. These results take on considerable significance in light of the widespread use of dietary MSG and we suggest that MSG should have its safety profile re-examined and be potentially withdrawn from the food chain.”  Source

This study linked MSG with headaches and increased blood pressure.

Carrageenan

Carrageenan is a harmful additive that all but says it’s going to f*ck you up. From The College of Medicine at University of Iowa,

“Although the International Agency for Research on Cancer in 1982 identified sufficient evidence for the carcinogenicity of degraded carrageenan in animals to regard it as posing a carcinogenic risk to humans, carrageenan is still used widely as a thickener, stabilizer, and texturizer in a variety of processed foods prevalent in the Western diet…

Review of these data demonstrated that exposure to undegraded as well as to degraded carrageenan was associated with the occurrence of intestinal ulcerations and neoplasms

…Because of the acknowledged carcinogenic properties of degraded carrageenan in animal models and the cancer-promoting effects of undegraded carrageenan in experimental models, the widespread use of carrageenan in the Western diet should be reconsidered.”

And from the Department of Medicine at the University of Illinois at Chicago,

“This is the first report of the impact of carrageenan on glucose tolerance and indicates that carrageenan impairs glucose tolerance, increases insulin resistance and inhibits insulin signaling in vivo in mouse liver and human HepG2 cells. These effects may result from carrageenan-induced inflammation. The results demonstrate extra-colonic manifestations of ingested carrageenan and suggest that carrageenan in the human diet may contribute to the development of diabetes.”

From yet another study,

“…carrageenan was supplied in the drinking fluid at 1.2 and 3% concentrations over two weeks to young adult guinea-pigs. Ulceration of the large bowel was produced in 100% of animals, the severity and extent of damage probably being dose-related.” Source

Titanium Dioxide

Yet another carcinogen.

French researchers performed a study in which they gave rats an oral dose of titanium dioxide for 100 days:

“Their results determined that chronic oral exposure led to a non-malignant stage of carcinogenesis, the process of normal cells becoming cancer cells, in 40 percent of exposed animals.” Source

In addition, other studies have linked inhalation of titanium dioxide to cancer. Why would someone inhale an ingredient in these plant-based burgers? It’s also in paint.

A word on sustainability.

How did we get to this point? To the point where people think that eating a “beyond meat burger” created in a lab, with of toxic ingredients – is sustainable?

You know what’s sustainable?

Supporting your local farmers. GRASS-FED MEAT IS SUSTAINABLE. There is a relationship between land and animals. They need each other to thrive. Animals feed the land. They nourish it.

When this happens, farmers can grow plenty of nutrient-rich produce.

Furthermore, this process literally builds topsoil, which is necessary for a healthy environment.

Supporting your local farmers ensures that your food isn’t traveling thousands of miles to reach you. Consider the gas, the emissions, the resources used for this Los Angeles based fake meat product to reach someone in Michigan, Louisiana or Washington, DC.

Soy and canola are two of America’s largest scale mono-crops. Farmers grow them on thousands of acres of land doused with pesticides. There are no animals. Soy is not sustainable.

farmers market stand with fresh vegetables and fruit

 

To sum up this Beyond Meat Burger Review: Here is true sustainability:

Buy your food locally, from farmers. Buy food that is in season. Grow a garden in your backyard. Raise chickens. Buy meat and seafood grown responsibly.

Go to the farmers market. Join a buying club. Do not buy man-made food-like products like Beyond Meat. Cook from scratch. Know where your food comes from.

Thanks to Beyond Meat for letting me use their photos. Some paragraphs from studies have been separated to make them easier to read.

126 Comments

  1. Matthew Pickering Reply

    Just so we are clear…the author is recommending that eating grass-fed beef is a healthier than the Beyond Meat alternative ?
    Scientific evidence has been accumulating for decades that cancer is more common among people who eat red meat and processed meat.
    This article contradicts both scientific evidence and logic. I agree that the ingredients contained within the Beyond Meat patties are harmful as well, however compared to consuming actual meats, the risk of contracting a number of diseases is dramatically reduced by maintaining a plant based diet.
    Your argument against sustainability is absurd on an encyclopedic level. A overwhelmingly large percentage of the corn and soy grown in this country is used as feed for livestock industry.
    I willing to bet Ancestral-Nutrition.com is funded by the processed meats industry.

    • dani Reply

      It’s abundantly clear that I’m recommending that eating grass-fed beed is healthier than Beyond Meat. While I agree that eating processed meat is unhealthy and problematic, there is no legitimate study that proves that eating grass-fed meat in addition to plant based foods (veggies in particular) is even slightly unhealthy. It literally does not exist.

      Re: corn and soy grown for livestock – I addressed that, you’re ignoring this I suppose? I clearly recommend avoiding this meat in favor of local, grass-fed meat. Let’s not ignore the fact that millions of plant based eaters are eating this same corn and soy that they complain about being fed to livestock. It’s hypocritical and ignorant.

      Also I’d be a lot richer is I were funded by the processed meat industry, but considering how regularly I bash them, it’s idiot to even suggest this.

      • There’s not enough space in the world to feed everyone with grass-fed beef. For the US alone, you’d need the whole US, parts of Canada and Mexico to feed the US with grass fed beef, so that doesn’t fit at all. That’s why factory farming is a necessity if you want to feed people meat –> 80% or sth from the worlds soy and corn. Emissions from cows especially are crazy in terms of methane and CO2 and water use. How is that sustainable again? 1 kilo of cow protein amounts to 1,000 kg of CO2 emitted (NY Times or the Economist); for chicken and pork these numbers are far far lower. That means that 13.1 kg of beef equals flying to Thailand from the Netherlands. The NY Times states that eating veggies from Argentina totals less emission than eating local meat. So please, please do research on the actual numbers before you state that something is sustainable. Oh, and by the way, red meat is a recognized carcinogen so there should be research on that it is unhealthy, and there’s countless studies that do not find any harmful side effects of soy. And maybe the beyond burger isn’t healthy, but a regular hamburger isn’t either, and it’s definitely not sustainable.

        • dani Reply

          Hi Emma, it’s hard to comprehend this incoherent rambling – some B12 (from grass-fed meat) would improve your concentration.

          But let’s break try to break this down. I understand that you’ve watched Cowspiracy and now fancy yourself and expert.

          There’s more than enough land for grass-fed beef. There’s 2.3 billion acres of unused land in the US alone. You can put 80 cows to acre per day (fact, from actual farmers who do it: http://rethinkrural.raydientplaces.com/blog/how-many-acres-do-you-need-to-raise-cattle). There are about 94 million cows in the US. You do the math.

          Re: grass-fed beef and CO2 emissions, you’re wrong again. Educate yourself, it’s actually really interesting: https://www.greenleft.org.au/content/ruminants-and-methane-not-fault-animals

          To say that red meat is a carcinogen and soy isn’t is completely false. There is no single study EVER done on grass-fed meat proving it to be cancerous. It LITERALLY does not exist. Whereas hundreds, if not thousands, exist proving soy can be carcinogenic.

          See here:
          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11431339
          https://ancestral-nutrition.com/why-i-have-beef-with-soy/
          http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/68/6/1431S.long
          http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/5/10/785.short
          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11694625

          Literally all of the studies I just provided link soy to cancer.

          Not to mention that pasture based farms are AMAZING for the environment. They sequester CO2, they nourish the soil, they prevent and reverse desertification.

          You are not an expert. You literally have no idea what you’re talking about. Please do not tell me to do more research when you’ve done none.

          • Nice government studies & one from this site, lol, credible

          • dani

            I linked to various studies performed by a plethora of organizations so your comment makes absolutely no sense. Glad to see you’re ignoring all of that.

          • that’s funny, are you calling yourself an expert? probably pride yourself on being a grammar nazi too, to feel “smart”. also, idiot, that is not the only way to get B12. this is too funny. Also, nice attempt to be snarky to someone who is much more intelligent than you. You’re the only incoherent one on this page, my dog would’ve understood get a life. speaking as someone who has graduated from Harvard with a 4.0 and honors as a nutritionist (now on salary making probably more than you’ll ever see in your life in the span of a year), you are dead wrong. there are so many academic journals written on research conducted by hundreds of panels of scientists who conduct actual experiments (are you familiar as to what those are? they constitute evidence) but seeing as you are too unintelligent to be able to understand data and scientific writing, here I have posted a link to literally the first website among millions out there finding links with red meat and cancer. You’re so credible. (hope you got the sarcasm love). What exactly are your credentials? Have you conducted or read on research from credible academic sources created from compiled, RECENT data from thousands of subjects per study? If you ever get off your likely large derriere and can muster up the strength without too much meat sweat going on then definitely give this a look and maybe learn to browse academic journals in a database. I’d post links from Harvard, MIT, UC schools, other universities but you have to be enrolled to access a true database. oops.

            http://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2015/10/26/processed-meat-and-cancer-what-you-need-to-know/

          • dani

            I’m gonna let this comment speak for itself.

      • “Like”…no “love”.

        Thanks for this article. They are not being transparent about their product.

      • Jen Lockett Reply

        In addition to claiming carcinogenic red meats as healthy, you also print the misinformation that grass-fed beef is sustainable. It’s perhaps worse than factory farms, depending on what you look at.
        Yes, less methane is produced than cows eating outside of their natural diet. However, where do you imagine all this beef comes from? Free-range cattle need a lot of space. Do you see them frolicking on farms with green pastures? Maybe a few. Most cattle are free-range on public lands.
        With a non-native species in forest lands or plains and meadows come into the environment, they displace native prey. When they displace that prey, apex predators eat the cows because there is nothing else to eat.
        Where I live one rancher has been responsible for the deaths of three entire wolf packs (including pups). The last pack to be slaughtered by the state had cows on salt licks planted yards away from their den. He does this on purpose because he hates wolves.
        He grazes his cattle on our lands to feed his cattle at only $10 an acre. So taxpayers are essentially subsidizing your meat habit. It gets worse. After predation occurs 3 times by the same pack, they are given a death sentence. It costs taxpayers $20,000 per wolf killed on behalf of the rancher who has had his cattle killed. The state also reimburses him for the dead cattle. That endangered species are killed so people can eat their steaks and burgers incenses me.
        Not only are people who eat meat responsible for the destruction of beautiful animals like wolves, cougars, bears and other predators, the taxes I pay are subsidizing the irresponsible, gluttonous diet of so-called paleo lifestyle adopters. I eat a plant based diet because it is the only sustainable diet to eat. People who eat meat have to face the fact that their diet is responsible for species becoming extinct or being pushed to the brink of it. I’m so sick of these blogs with pseudo-science proclamations of what’s healthy for human beings to eat with no regard for the impact of eating meat upon the world we live in and the true costs of it. Some say ignorance is bliss. I say ignorance is privilege.

        • dani Reply

          You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. You could not be more misinformed.

          1 – Cattle are free ranged on public lands? I’m guessing you’ve never been to an actual grass-fed farm or even met a farmer. Cows roam on their farmer’s land. Who do you think takes care of these cows? The farmers. The hard working men and women who care about these animals. They’re not grazing next to parking lots owned by the government. That makes no sense at all.

          2 – You think cows are grazing in forests? They graze on grasslands. That’s kind of the point. They nourish the land with their manure.

          3 – Your wolf story is entirely anecdotal and makes no sense so I really have no idea what you’re talking about.

          4 – The taxes you pay subsidize wheat, soy, corn and canola. This is why processed food is so cheap. This is a fact, something your comment lacks. Americans pay $246 billion per year to subsidize these monocrops that are vegan staples: http://www.pcrm.org/health/reports/agriculture-and-health-policies-unhealthful-foods

          5 – You want to talk about displacing native species? What do you think plowing and clearing and adding chemical fertilizers to millions upon millions of acres of land to make vegan proteins and staples does? It takes a lot more space to grow these massive monocrops that vegans gobble up, and I assure you that it kills more animals that eating a local diet that includes grass-fed beef.

          6 – Millions, if not billions, of animals are killed every year so vegans can eat while ignoring the fact that their food left a trail of blood they can ignore because they have no idea where their food comes from.

          7 – Vegans are so disconnected from their food and nature that you forget a few simple facts: for you to live, something must die. Animals nourish the land. Without animals, we are left with chemical fertilizers that cause dead zones in the Gulf Of Mexico the size of Delaware. These chemical fertilizers destroy the soil. Monocrops, the staples of vegan diets, kill millions of and displace animals.

      • so eating corpses of abused and sick animals is way better. What a joke!
        Grass-fed where and does that make it ok to support the cruel meat industry?? no..it doesn’t

        • dani Reply

          Grass-fed farmers and the meat industry are two completely separate industries.

      • We’re not eating a damn burger to be healthy. Vegan have a choice to enjoy a burger without MURDER ! That’s the point. So yea fuck it I won’t eat it all the time but at least I’m not eating an animal

        • dani Reply

          This idea shows just how disconnected from nature so many vegans are. It’s a simple fact of life that for you to live and eat, something must die. You don’t consider the amount of animals killed to grow massive monocropping operations, the amount of animals displaced by the sheer volume of land it takes to grow these monocrops, the trillions of organisms killed by the pesticides sprayed on these crops.

          I assure you, animals are killed for your meals.

      • You’re an idiot. Why dont you look and see what is in the beef and meats you eat. I couldnt even read through your idiot bonehead write up. Beyond burgers are still a much better and healthier alternative than any factory grown concentration camp meat product.

    • I think she is right there is something in them that is unhealthy. I have 4 stage kidney disease. Every time I ate a burger my blood pressure spiked. The ingredients show 380 mg of sodium which is low enough that I should be able to eat. But something is wrong because my blood pressure is through the roof and I am swollen up. They need to take them off the market.

    • Rachelle Allee Reply

      Listen, grass fed meat is not necessarily bad for you. I am a vegetarian and I know this as a fact. Most Americans eat meat with/for every meal of the day. If you have meat once a week or a few time in a week then it definitely has beneficial aspects to it. Consider that meat has necessary B-12 vitamins that otherwise would have to be extracted in a lab to be added as a supplement. You can buy sustainable meat products but like the author said, it should be local. Nearly all of the meat sold in stores come from a factory farm thousands of miles away from your home and are given hormones, antibiotics, and preservatives and are processed to be unhealthy. Factory farms also ruin topsoil, emmit methane that is a major cause of global warming, and usually intale very inhumane practices. Look into local farms that slaughter humanly and feed healthy diets to their animals.

  2. Beyond Meat doesn’t use msg. Look at their FAQ’s before trying to advocate for eating a living being: a mom, a daughter, a being that has feelings & is slaughtered for your taste buds. Try watching What The Health.
    Xo

    • dani Reply

      What The Health is the most ridiculous, inane, inaccurate pile of garbage I’ve ever seen.

      https://robbwolf.com/2017/07/03/what-the-health-a-wolfs-eye-review/

      Also they LITERALLY list autolyzed yeast extract, which is MSG, on their ingredient labels. Are you just choosing to ignore that fact?

      Also – a mom, a daughter, a living being was slaughtered for your tastebuds too. Millions of animals are killed a year to create these fake meat products. Entire species have been displaced to grow coy, corn, wheat, legumes. Millions of field mice are murdered every week to plow the fields. There are entire dead zones, one of the size of Rhode Island in the gulf, because of the runoff of fertilizer to grow the soy and corn and wheat and beans you so arrogantly eat, while you look down your nose at people who acknowledge the fact that for us to eat – something must die. We just choose to eat in a way with the most realistic compassion. I’d rather eat an animal raised with respect and love from a local farmer, that was killed honorably and painlessly – than eat a fake meat burger that killed millions of animals in its production.

      Try reading The Vegetarian Myth.

      • This is the most fake answer and pile of garbage I have read about veganism!!!!! Arguing against vegetables growing!!! Which planet are you from?? Who pays you to write this?? You are completely weird!

        • dani Reply

          I am weird, but I’m not arguing against vegetables growing.

          • This article was listing things that were not on the ingredient label

          • dani

            The ingredient labels are clearly listed above. Everything I discussed was on the Beyond Meat ingredient labels.

    • Just the oils and soy they use are toxic altogether trust me I was excited to try but honestly grass fed beef is better since u can control what good oils u use
      So your own research and u will see as I have the oils and other ingredients on this article are not better for u. But to each his own. I know it’s tasty but think twice

  3. dawn prestom Reply

    Fyi, ‘grass-fed beef’ is only ‘finished’ by cows eating grass. They’re taken out to eat a few meals of grass before they’re slaughtered, but are fed corn 90% of their lives, and living in squalor immediately prior to that. do some homework on that. Real homework. Not stuff funded by the beef industries themselves. Those cows are unfortunately not roaming freely in pastures for years an years. This is one of those fairytale buzzwords / images we glom onto….’Grass fed beef’. Its all marketing to sell you crap that’s still awful for you, but just sounds better. Trust me. i was an Art director in advertising for 14 years in NYC. I’ve been privy to shit I wish I never saw or heard. Its all the same garbage.

    • dani Reply

      That’s not only wildly inaccurate, it’s idiotic. I’d use the term ignorant, but clearly you have every means to educate yourself on the topic and choose not to.

      Grass-fed meat from local farmers, as I discussed in the article, constitutes cows actually fed grass and out on pasture. Being an art director in NYC has literally nothing to do with this topic and shows the depth of your ignorance on it. This comment actually infuriates because it’s so unintelligent and disrespectful to farmers.

      I have met so many farmers that have family run businesses, they work their asses off from dawn till dusk taking care of their animals. These animals live on pasture, they’re outside everyday. These farmers occasionally give the animals feed that may include grains (like in winter), but the vast majority of their lives – they’re out on pasture.

      These people don’t have money for advertising budgets. They don’t advertise outside of their family run Facebook page, or linking up with other farmers in the community, or farmers markets. They couldn’t tell you what a “buzzword” was – and they don’t care. They’re not the beef industry, which you would know if you had even the slightest idea of what you’re talking about. They are small, family run farms. They’re doing good work. They’re doing hard work that you could never even begin to imagine at your cushy art job, with the audacity to think you have any idea about these people.

      You, a woman who has never met these hard working people. Never cared to know them, to find out where your food comes from. Never participated in the process of growing food. It’s arduous. These people work hard. This is their lives, it’s their livelihood, it’s how they take care of their children. And you dare make up this ridiculous narrative that they don’t feed their cattle grass? That they mistreat them? That they’re not actually out on pasture? Go to any farmers market and talk to the mothers and fathers selling their meat to put their kids through college. They’re going to laugh in your face.

      I don’t say this lightly, you should be ashamed of yourself.

      • No one is doubting the integrity of “free range” farmers. It is apparent you have some relation to them, your family assuming, as the cloud of personal bias is looming largely around your words… There are enough non government sponsored replicated studies out there to make it easy to ignore opinion pieces clouted in personal attachment heh..

        • dani Reply

          The only relation I have to farmers is that they FEED ME. Which I think is pretty important. My family are city people.

          Unlike most people, and people commenting on this article in particular, I have met the people that grow my food. I’ve seen the process, the animals, the farm, the work. I’ve even seen my previous farmer get shut down by the FDA for selling raw milk. They raided his house in the middle of the night and woke up his eight kids, one of which was just a few weeks old.

          It seems like I can’t win with you guys. You want studies so I provide them, then you bash them for being “government sponsored.” Which doesn’t even make sense. I also provided studies from Harvard and other various institutions and showed how canola oil is made – guess you’re all just going to ignore that?

  4. That was supposed to be a thumbs up.
    I agree with Dani and not with the author.

  5. Candace Carlisle McCarthy Reply

    So I’m your opinion we should just eat dead rotting flesh?

    • dani Reply

      No, we should eat the fresh flesh of animals grown in a healthy, respectful manner from local farmers. Eating anything rotten isn’t a good idea, obviously.

      • Julia Escobar Reply

        Animal flesh starts to rot seconds after it’s cut. Grass fed or not. Frozen or not. I’m sure you’re gut really loves that.

  6. Umm where does it say soy protein?

    Also you’re dreaming if you think there is enough loca grass fed cattle or land to do so to feed the whole world’s population..

    But mostly vegan meat is for not killing animals…

    • dani Reply

      Literally says “soy protein isolate” on the ingredient list for the grilled chicken strips. Glad to see you didn’t actually read the article.

      There’s not currently enough local, grass-fed cattle to feed the world but if we switched from a CAFO model to grass-fed model, this is not only possible, but AMAZING for the environment.

      Vegan meat kills thousands of animals. Millions, even. Entire herds of wild buffalo have been displaced for your soy, wheat and corn. Field mice are killed when those fields are plowed – millions upon millions of them. Just because you don’t see all the animals killed to get your fake meat, doesn’t mean they don’t exist. You’re just arrogantly blind to it.

      • Okay, I think you need to calm down. You keep coming out with ‘Vegan Meat Kills thousands of animals”.

        You do know what most soy, corn and wheat is grown for, right?

        You would need an awful lot of vegan-animal slaughtering individuals to even begin to account for about 1% of the crops you are talking about.

        I think calling everyone who posits a counter point to you as blindly ignorant is a bit unnecessary.

        I have studied extensively food production and am a dear friend of Professor Colin Tudge, who I’m sure you’ve read. And we actually had a chat about your positions on this and they are wildly mixed-up.

        There are a lot of possibly unnecessary ingredients in the beyond products, that’s for sure, but to extrapolate that a vegan lifestyle is responsible for the industrial mono-crops that are killing eco-systems is insane. The destruction of the rain forests was initiated by that vegan MONSTER McDonalds back in the day and then continued by Palm Oil growers, Corn mono-crops and soy.

        A large majority of this was a mis-guided attempt to come up with replacements for fossil fuels, corn for ethanol and biofuels, Palm for pretty much any soap and cleaning product and soy for animal feed and paints, rubber, plastics glue I think as well. I think about 5-6% of the soy crop is used for human food.

        You cloud your other health point by this absurd tack about the vegan destroyers of habitats. And of course you don’t really deal with the ethical issue of breading cattle, which is kind of against nature (cows are in some sense genetically modified to be so) in the first place.

        • dani Reply

          Re: “You do know what most soy, corn and wheat is grown for, right?”

          Which is why in the article, and numerous times throughout the comments section, I only recommend and encourage people to purchase grass-fed beef from local farmers. I feel like I’ve made that abundantly clear.

          Re: “You would need an awful lot of vegan-animal slaughtering individuals to even begin to account for about 1% of the crops you are talking about.”

          Oh yeah? Where’d you come up with that statistic?

          Re: “I think calling everyone who posits a counter point to you as blindly ignorant is a bit unnecessary.”

          I do not do this. Just some people. The blatantly ignorant commenters.

          Re: “…but to extrapolate that a vegan lifestyle is responsible for the industrial mono-crops that are killing eco-systems is insane…You cloud your other health point by this absurd tack about the vegan destroyers of habitats.”

          Actually, it’s reality. The dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico is caused by runoff from soy, corn, wheat and canola crops. Staples of vegan diets. The nitrogen and phosphorous from the fertilizer used on these monocrops has literally created a dead zone.

          https://serc.carleton.edu/microbelife/topics/deadzone/index.html
          https://www.nature.org/ourinitiatives/regions/northamerica/areas/gulfofmexico/explore/gulf-of-mexico-dead-zone.xml

          Your argument against me would potentially be relevant if I were arguing in favor of all meat, which I’ve made abundantly clear that I am not. I support small, local, sustainable grass-fed farmers. Not CAFOs. You really have no argument against me.

          • ‘Re: “You would need an awful lot of vegan-animal slaughtering individuals to even begin to account for about 1% of the crops you are talking about.”

            Oh yeah? Where’d you come up with that statistic?’

            Okay, just tidying up some of your points. The 1% is a bit of a guess but probably an over-estimate. It is estimated that direct human consumption of soybean production is between 5-6%. That’s all human food that is derived from soy production, tofu, soybean themselves, soy milk, soy sauce etc. 70-75% is animal feed (“BUT I DON’T ADVOCATE THAT I ONLY WANT PEOPLE TO EAT GRASS-FED….”, I know, that’s really not my point). The rest is soybean oil for biofuels, or soy which is used in other industrial processes.

            Of that, given the fact that estimates of vegetarian diets across the world is about half a billion (there are many estimates out there, they range from 375 to 600m or so) out of a population of 7.6bn, vegetarians (which includes vegans) are 15%.

            So 15% of 6% is about 1%. I did say ‘about 1%’.

            So, if you are still with me, to say that it is vegetarians that are responsible for soybean mega production and the associated nitrate etc run off, is blatant lunacy.

            It’s profitable and it happens mainly because of the biochemical and livestock industries. So if, everyone started eating the Beyond Meat burger tomorrow (something I am obviously not advocating, the only product of theirs that contains soy is the chicken strips I think) instead of beef these soy crops would disappear.

            You keep conflating different strands of your arguments.

            Anyway, I just thought I’d answer where I got the 1% from.

      • Your correct that animals die in the harvesting of soy, wheat, corn etc. But the vast majority of all that is feeding the animals that you eat. It would be far more sustainable and economical if that food was used to feed people instead of animals.

        • dani Reply

          Did you even read the article? I don’t eat animals fed soy, corn or wheat. I exclusively eat beef from my local, grass-fed farmer. This is what I encourage others to do as well, which makes your entire argument invalid.

  7. Stop with the bullshit. You idiots are obviously trying to discredit the plant-based/vegan industry with the fluff piece. Please, stop. It’s pathetic.

    • dani Reply

      Sure, legitimate scientific research and years of common sense be damned!

  8. Why are they talking about soy! There is non in thee burger! Wow this has so been sponsored by the meat industry! It has pea protein! Not soy!!!!

    • dani Reply

      I am taking about soy because it’s very clearly in the chicken strips, which you’d know if you bothered to read the article.

      Saying this is sponsored by the meat industry is not just ridiculous, it’s straight up dumb. I clearly bash the meat industry and CAFO farms and recommend eating grass-fed meat from local pasture based farms.

  9. Mig Granger Reply

    The first rule of nutrition probably should be, never speak in absolutes.
    To quote the author:
    ” there is NO LEGITIMATE STUDY that proves that eating grass-fed meat in addition to plant based foods (veggies in particular) is EVEN SLIGHTLY UNHEALTHY. IT LITERALLY DOES NOT EXIST.”
    Wow. You are dead wrong.
    And while neither you, nor I have or ever could begin to crack the surface of the number of nutritional studies published in a given year, let alone, in all existence, we don’t have to.
    There ACTUALLY IS a non-profit organization that does exactly that: https://nutritionfacts.org.
    I sincerely, request that you, Dani, spend even ONE HOUR reviewing this website and the information presented on the ACTUAL STUDIES that DO EXIST and refute your sometimes outdated and selectively reviewed, claims.
    Before you dive into THE FACTS, though, I want to point out that your blog post began by excoriating, very specifically, the Beyond Burger. And since I love the Beyond Burger, specifically, and since your whole post was aimed directly at the Beyond Burger, I find it interesting that your first “beef” is with, soy.
    And while your argument against soy MAY be valid, IT ISN’T EVEN LISTED as an ingredient in the Beyond Burger.
    You included the ingredients for the “chicken strips”, to validate your #1 supporting evidence for why the Beyond Burger is beyond unhealthy. Meat advocates probably didn’t notice since meat wasn’t the first ingredient.
    You quickly moved on to canola oil. Everything you reference can be corroborated by scientific studies. Yet, the Beyond Burger contains, EXPELLER PRESSED canola oil. EPCO is not processed the same way as the highly refined canola oils found in mainstream grocery stores. Maybe you knew this, maybe not.
    Yeast extract. Your argument is a bit misleading and beyond the scope of my lunch hour to debunk.
    The very complex debate surrounding glutamates and whether or not yeast extract is Monosodium Glutamate in disguise NOTWITHSTANDING (shall we throw in the highly concentrated glutamates found in meat, mushrooms, cheese, tomatoes, etc.?), millions of people are still clinging like a lifeboat, to one particular study, that was published when Duran Duran was still topping the charts.
    See the first rule of nutrition mentioned above. Time marches on.
    The great MSG debate has undergone a DECADES long tug-o-war in terms of scientific research.
    Check the facts: https://nutritionfacts.org/video/update-on-msg.
    While I have eaten a strictly vegan diet for a little more than a year, I do not pretend to have perfect health. I have Celiac disease and suffer from gastrointestinal inflammation on a daily basis. I try to eat whole, unprocessed foods at every meal.
    Then again, I don’t write books or blogs denouncing grass-fed beef and how it ravages your body. Why?
    Because, while the longevity and nutrition science currently favors veganism, more and more research is pointing to the unhealthy balance of flora in the microbiotic biome of our digestive systems as the catalyst for pretty much everything deadly to humans.
    Check out nutritionfacts.org for a non-biased analysis of EVERY nutritional study published annually.

    • dani Reply

      To quote you,

      “” there is NO LEGITIMATE STUDY that proves that eating grass-fed meat in addition to plant based foods (veggies in particular) is EVEN SLIGHTLY UNHEALTHY. IT LITERALLY DOES NOT EXIST.”
      Wow. You are dead wrong.”

      Okay – if I’m dead wrong, provide me with that study. You didn’t because you can’t.

      Nutritionfacts.org is a joke. It’s also the opposite of unbiased, it’s run by a vegan doctor who cherry picks his studies and information to fit his agenda – while ignoring a large body of research indicating otherwise. It’s should be renamed veganpropaganda.org because that’s all it is.

      Re: MSG – I can’t. You have no idea what you’re talking about concerning glutamate, naturally occurring glutamate, monosodium glutamate, etc. Just so you know – glutamate in tomatoes is fine – monosodium glutamate created in a lab is bad. I can’t have a debate with someone who has no understanding of basic nutritional information.

      I mean this in the nicest way possible and I hope you take my advice, if you are suffering from GI inflammation on a daily basis, it’s absolutely because of your diet and you need to change it. Veganism is clearly not working for you AND THAT’S OKAY. You’re not a failure or a bad person if it doesn’t work for you. I am happy to chat with you about ways to improve and reduce your inflammation and heal your GI tract. Seriously. I’m here to help.

  10. Dani, your arrogance itself would make me turn my own nose up at your offer to help me decide how to feed my body. I’m sorry, but no one has all the answers- even you…shocker, right? Nutrition is way too complex to be black and white. If you’re going to post about something controversial, you probably should expect controversy and opposing views, and more importantly, learn how to respect others’ choices and take the criticism. I shall take my research elsewhere. Just as you put it:
    “I can’t” with the arrogant, pompous, and immature attitude.
    Also, the word “literally”. seriously, enough already.

    • dani Reply

      Ugh, you’re right. I get so fired up and use “I can’t” and “literally” way too often. Especially “literally.” I blame Chris Traeger.

      I do expect controversy, I just wish it came with common sense. I don’t think I know everything and I don’t think nutrition is black and white, I think quite the opposite in fact.

      I encourage you to take your research elsewhere! Everyone should research the hell out of nutrition, land management, soy, grass-fed farms, etc. Although I did provide a lot of good and legitimate research so you should probably at least take it into consideration.

  11. Dang, I get that sometimes people’s comments are a bit nonsensical or lacking in facts, but your responses are straight-up rude. Let people be lame in their comments to you if they want to, but responding condescendingly, as you often do, makes you seem petty and immature.

    Just my two cents.

    • dani Reply

      Thanks for your input, Brooke. I just get really fired up – I’m like this in person too. My husband tells me I need to chill all the time. I definitely see your point and it’s something I’m really trying to work on!

  12. Chancel Nuque Reply

    I feel sorry for the author… tried so hard just to prove consumption of flesh, even if it’s grass-fed, is actually good for health.

    With all the research done… I’m just surprised why the author is not vegan, smh.

  13. “Western men more susceptible to phytoestrogens. One possibility is that excess body weight modifies the relation between phytoestrogen intake and semen quality as our data suggest. ” from your studies.

    Also, only one beyond meat product contains soy protein isolate, which is seems all the other studies were about. Do you want to read studies about soy that negate all this?

    Your life focus is lacking moral priorities. Yikes.

    • dani Reply

      My life focus is lacking moral priorities because I pointed out the fact that numerous ingredients in these products are unhealthy? Sure, that’s completely sane.

  14. Robert Wasilewski Reply

    So I found this page by doing a google search as I’ve been questioning the healthfulness of these up and coming “tastes just like” meat burgers. As vegans my girlfriend and I have yet to try these creations and frankly may avoid them all together. Reading through your comments and article I like how it started but sadly it devolved into a straight up heated argument between yourself and passionate vegans. I see you’re a nutrition consultant and trying to do the right thing so rather than point to articles or even introduce science into this I’d rather just tell you our experience. For years my girlfriend and I were eating what most would consider a very healthful diet, we ate lots of fruits and veggies, many from our own garden, we always sought out organic when possible and our meat and seafood was often better than even grassfed. Much of the red meat we consumed was from locally hunted deer that I butchered myself, in fact one year I was brought 7 deer which lasted frozen for a few years. When we ate fish it was always wild caught (often by myself) and we avoided high pcb and mercury species. Eggs were sourced from a customer of mine that had chickens not for business but as pets and not only were they free roaming on many many acres of land but they even had air conditioned housing in the summer! I must say the eggs were delicious and they had a dark orange yolk color that looked and tasted nothing like the best pastured eggs whole foods had to sell. The chickens ate a wild diet of bugs and what they foraged. Ok, so now that I established what were were doing for many years of our lives about 3 years ago we decided to try the vegan thing one weekend. Our health wasn’t bad by most standards but blood pressure was on the higher side, cholesterol was somewhere around 170 and of particular concern especially for my girlfriend was her A1C levels which can be indicative of the onset of diabetes which is very prevalent in her family. My blood tests were better but I still had higher than ideal blood pressure, I struggled to keep my weight where I wanted it despite exercising 10 hours a week and I also suffered from heartburn and gastro intestinal problems. Hard exertion also gave me chest pains days afterwards, not sure why but no test ever found a cause. At any rate, that weekend turned into a permanent change, we simply never went back and totally avoid any meat, dairy or seafood now. How has it affected our health? If we look at blood tests the change was dramatic, my cholesterol is now at 117 total with an excellent ldl/hdl ratio if you believe in that measure. My girlfriends triglycerides dropped to 1/3 of what they were and her A1C is now at 5.4, exactly what mine is. I lost about 30 lbs, my reflux has went away and I no longer get chest pains after exercise. Mind you this didn’t happen overnight but even after 6 months we saw changes in our blood work and bodies. Prior to going vegan I had huge arguments with some friends that are vegan and my stance was with a healthy lifestyle and enough exercise I would be just as healthy and the ONLY was I would be convinced was first hand seeing these changes in my own body (which happened). Ok, so going back to these plant burgers… I do have to agree with your take on them being quite possibly dangerous, things like pea protein isolate or soy isolates I’d like to call Frankenfoods. Are they better than the meat they replaced? Good question, maybe, maybe not or more likely better in some ways but worse in others. I don’t think we’ll fully appreciate this until they’re on the market for years and people have consumed them. We chose to avoid such products as much as we can, at home we use them very sparingly but may eliminate them entirely. I did noticed once we “figured out” vegan options like these we weren’t as healthy as when were were just eating the real stuff. The only reason I think a mostly plant based diet with some meat or dairy is problematic is much like smoking, if you tell a 2 pack a day smoker they can have only 2 cigarettes a day that will soon become 5, then 10, etc until they’re right back where they started. By totally avoiding any meat and dairy there is no cheating. I’d like to challenge you to trying a vegan diet for only 3 months but get blood work done before and after and make sure it’s a vegan diet done right without things like coconut oil and fake meat products. If you’re not sensitive I’d say grains are just fine too, we eat them with no issues but there’s a real trend to avoid them. I think you may be surprised but until you try something you can’t knock it.

  15. Seriously? BEEF over a plant-based burger? Healthier? LOL, this author is an idiot. How about that.

    • dani Reply

      I find that those who have no actual argument against me usually result to name calling. And yes, it’s a literal fact that a grass-fed burger is healthier than an overly processed plant based burger full of carcinogens, MSG, additives and preservatives.

  16. But Dani, they have elite athletes on their website that told me it was healthy. Would elite athletes paid by Beyond Meat lie to me? Funny that there is no mention of bio-availability or absorption rate on the website when they speak of how plant-based proteins are better than animal proteins. Just another company catering to the “I get 10 grams of protein a day” vegan crowd who believes eating broccoli will suffice as a protein source.

  17. Anne Griffin Reply

    Some of us are vegetarian or vegan for ethical reasons and still want to enjoy a good tasting burger.

  18. It is abundantly clear and science demonstrates this that the healthiest way to live is on a whole foods low fat plant based diet. The kindest way to live is as a vegan. I am so grateful to companies that make innovative ‘meat’ products such as Beyond Meat for those people who insist on animal flesh. I would rather eat Beyond Meat products any day than anything from any animal. Plants versus flesh that suffered miserably and died violently is a simple choice for me.

    • dani Reply

      Actually, science, history and anthropology have demonstrated the opposite. The healthiest and kindest diet is a seasonal, local diet that is rich in organic, grass-fed animals as well as organically grown produce. A great book to read on the topic is The Vegetarian Myth, which explains how many animals are killed for these plant based products to read your plate. I assure you, hundreds, if not thousands of animals have given their lives for your vegan diet.

      I go into further detail in this article:
      https://ancestral-nutrition.com/dont-recommend-vegan-diet/

  19. Okay. Well, there are probably some ‘bad’ ingredients in just about everything we eat. But meat is so concentrated with not only the pesticides used on the *highly* processed plants they eat, but also concentrated with the antibiotics and steroids a lot of the larger meat producers use on their animals. Now before you tell me there are some natural alternatives, it doesn’t change the fact that 90% of the meat people eat is the cheapest meat that does use these antibiotics and steroids.

    We can argue all day about how much “free” landmass there is to raise cattle and the feed for them, but the fact is that they consume so much that it is extremely inefficient to eat them. Whereas simulated meat, which is grown in the exact same manner just without the animal, is far more efficient. I honestly can’t see how the two compare. Real meat is very unhealthy for you and highly inefficient, simulated meat is far more efficient and probably healthier since it doesn’t have antibiotics or steroids concentrated in it.

    • dani Reply

      Did you even read the article prior to commenting?

      Because I clearly only recommend 100% grass-fed, organic meat from local, pasture based farms. Which makes your entire argument irrelevant.

      • Yes… I read it. And I said 90% of people are still going to buy cheap, non-grass fed meat for most occasions. Most people do not want to sped $10+ a lb for meat. Not to mention most ‘organic’ or grass-fed farms STILL use antibiotics and steroids. No matter what kind, meat is ridiculously inefficient, takes up massive amounts of landmass, takes tons of resources and water to cultivate, and is riddled with highly concentrated chemicals. I’m not saying this simulated meat couldn’t do better because I’m sure it could eventually, but its still a far-cry more healthy than *most* meat.

      • representing a meat based diet as healthier than a plant based diet shows severe ignorance of dietary needs of the human body. There is NO MEAT that is healthy, NONE.

        • dani Reply

          Except for grass-fed beef, venison, bison, wild salmon, rabbit, chicken liver, chicken, etc. Gram for gram, liver is the most nutrient dense food on earth. So maybe educate yourself before throwing the word ignorant around.

  20. Thanks for the breakdowns on potentially-harmful ingredients in these burgers. While I eat them on occasion, I will be more thoughtful about how frequently, as I have stuck to grass-fed local beef for many years prior.

    That being said, I have to echo what a previous commenter here said: You are incredibly rude in your replies to people commenting here. You seem smart and I was going to share this post with friends until I read the comments and my jaw dropped. You can disagree with people and have impassioned debates while still being respectful and kind.

    Best of luck to you.

    • dani Reply

      I feel that I’m perfectly respectful in my responses. I was raised to be very honest and straight forward. I don’t feel the need to mince words.

      Additionally, for anyone else reading, I’ve seen way worse things said by men in my position and I have never, not once, seen them held to the standard I am. Just because I’m a woman does not mean I have to be gentler with my responses.

  21. Dani,

    Just want to let you know as a nutritionist I agree with you. I wish people would realize how many horrible ingredients are in these highly processed fake meat burgers. This country is full of idiots, don’t let the bastards get you down.

  22. Good argument both sides. Some one explain to me if we look back at all countries that ate only plant base foods and didn’t have access to any meat as in North and south africa, japan, China before they started eating the standard American diet . had rarely any cancer, high blood pressure, heart problem.

    • dani Reply

      There is no traditional plant based culture. It literally does not exist. The earliest plant based eaters chose to eat plants due to religious reasons, and even that was fairly recent.

  23. Humans are frugivors or herbivores. Characteristics of a human says everything, unless you pant like a dog on those hot summer days.

  24. I actually enjoyed this article, and it was making me think twice about eating Beyond Meat…until I read the author’s replies to other’s comments; all credibility went out the window. This is all just a matter of preference really. Some people love animals, others don’t care. Both Beyond meat and beef likely aid in the development of cancer. But besides all of the “studies,” facts, and good/bad information posted here…being defensive and just outright lacking class makes me never want to read anything you write about ever again. Good luck with that attitude. Your responses should be as eloquent and well-written as your article; you’re not a rebellious teenager with a chip on their shoulder…or are you? SMH

    • dani Reply

      A large part of me feels like if I were a man no one would slight me for being less than eloquent or “lacking class” in my responses. This is not something that is often required of or even said to a man; and I’d like you to think about this. Would you ever require a man to be eloquent, or fault him for lacking class – as long as his research was valid and scientifically sound (as mine is)? No, I don’t think you would. I don’t even think you’d use terms like eloquent or lacking class when having a discussion with a man.

      I sometimes feel like a rebellious teenager with a chip on my shoulder, but I’m just a mom and a business owner and a wife trying to educate people on the impact of the food they consume.

      • I’m a writer myself, and a YouTuber, so I understand all too well how it feels to get negative comments. Maybe I was a bit harsh. After further thought, I remembered how irritating it can be to have readers try to counter something you spent so much time writing and researching. Sometimes we just lose our cool. I apologize for my original comment. Thank you for doing what you do, sincerely. I still love Beyond Mest though! Lol. Keep up the great work!

  25. While I came here by accident to read if I could freeze these bad boys. I was sucked in, and I’m also a sucker for reading comments.

    What I gained from all of this is and my 40-years on this planet is, you are all are probably right and wrong at the same time. Now, before the author jumps down my throat, because all of your replies are very argumentative defending your post like the USDA is in your pocket, let me explain.

    NO ONE knows anything for sure. Yeah, NO ONE. Do you know why? Because the government doesn’t give two cents about the people who live here, including you and me. So, you can post all the “back up” you can to prove your point, and someone will still manage to find something just as “reputable” to contradict it. That is a fact.

    While our government claims that human experimentation is illigal, we are still being experimented on every single day that we breath the air, drink the water, eat the food from a store, take medication/supplements slather our body with chemicals and what ever else. You can’t trust anything you read. All you can do is live your life the way you see fit and let others live their life. You can post all of this, but it still comes down to not really knowing the truth.

    Just like a ozone layer. Are you old enough to remeber that BS? OMG, come to find out, it’s supposed to be like that. Stanford Prison Experiment, while they cut it short a d it’s illegal to experiment on humans, what you don’t see behind the curtain is that it is happening right before our eyes and we are going along with it.

    Lastly, how many Beyond Burgers are we talking about when it comes to consumption? 1 a year, 1 a month, 1 a week, a day? Everyones body is different. I have meet life long cigarette smokers who have never had a health realted issue and lived until their 90’s and nonsmokers who have eaten healthy and worked out their whole like die at an early age of cancer. Riddle me that?

      • I am still reading support and contradictions on the MSG and Yeast Extract as well as some other ingredients. I guess we will truly never know to truth unless we all become scientists and do the tests yourself. Guess I am sticking to making sweet potato and bean burgers just incase.

  26. Dani, you seem like an awful person, truly hahahah I’m glad I didn’t have to make an account to say that, but I was willing to!

    Stop being such a cunt yea? Cool.

      • This very good article and the vegan nut job responses sum up nicely why the world is in the state it is in. I thought you were quite polite Dani to people so stupid they will argue in favour of eating novel toxic crap rather that highly nutritious food people have thrived on and worshiped for millenia.

  27. Hi Dani, I suggest you do not listen to anyone who tries to demean what you say. The fact that they’re arguing over some movies or documentaries they watch do not take into account optimal nutrition. I’m sorry to say that the easiest way to get calcium (raw dairy, sardines with bone and chicken with bone), copper (liver having ceruplasmin, copper binding protein), heme iron, zinc, sulphur, phosphorous, selenium (due to low variations in their bodies), Vitamins A,D, K2, all B-Vitamins, even Vitamin C (as animal adrenal gland is far richer than most produce, although this isn’t that critical), add in nucleic acids, add in Preformed DHA, even preformed AA (omega 6 fats). So I’ll present what you present and watch people in their ignorance.

  28. Organic farmer raising grass fed beef and lamb here (and more, some of our other products are: improved soil, nutritious veggies grown in that soil, preserved habitat for songbirds/native pollinators, riparian preservation, children that know how to work hard and understand how the natural world works…. I can go on. And on.
    Just wanted to post one positive comment and thank you for your good work . I really appreciate your willingness to go to bat for farms that are working hard to regenerate their land and feed people as a bonus. Pleas keep it up. We need you.

    • dani Reply

      Thank YOU for the amazing, necessary work you do for the land, soil and our environment!

  29. Interesting that you choose to post and respond hateful comments from your readers that really add nothing to the discourse.

    However, you choose to ignore comments that actually spur intellectual conversation / debate. Scary in my opinion.

    For example, you ignore comments that are contrary to the opinions you post on subjects such as cattle ranching. I use the word opinion here, because, at this point, that’s all this blog post seems to contain on the subject.

    Let me know when you choose to allow your readers to observe all comments.

    Good luck.

    • dani Reply

      I’ve engaged in discussion with over 50 commenters who disagree with me. I have no idea what you’re talking about.

  30. I read the Vegetarian Myth btw, which you keep coming back to. She’s certainly an interesting outlier, but most of her sources aren’t peer-reviewed journal pieces (there are a few about 30 or so). And she simply makes things up – so many of her claims about vitamin content in foods is chemically empirically wrong, much of her claims about vitamin creation and absorption in the human body is biologically empirically wrong.

    (There is an extraordinary bit about early man not having heart disease, diabetes, or getting cancer. Most people develop cancers a little bit later in life – early man never got to later life so we don’t really know.)

    It’s hard to take much that she says seriously when she throws out claims like ‘meat is 100x more nutrient dense than vegetable matter’, quantifiably, demonstrably nonsense.

    Some of the other studies you cite are credible and do back up some of your claims regarding some of the ingredients, but by using TVM as your source it rather calls into question much else of what you write about.

    Organic, grass fed, free range animal rearing mainly helps us feel a little bit better about subjugating animals to our whims. I like meat, and I always buy as free range as possible, but I know I’m kidding myself. The only truly ethical route is not to steal chickens foetuses, not to force cows to permanently lactate, not to act as pimp gods to cattle and to allow those animals to evolve naturally in the wild. I guess deer meat is probably okay by that metric!

    • dani Reply

      Actually James, I think you’re the one who’s making things up. Ie: your random stats in your other comments, and definitely what you’re saying about The Vegetarian Myth, which is loaded with legitimate scientific information and factually correct biological and nutrition info.

      Lierre Keith doesn’t say meat is 100x more nutrient dense than vegetable matter. You said that. Just now. Nowhere in her book or writings has she said this. She has said meat is more nutrient dense than vegetables – which is a simple fact. There are nutrients that are impossible to obtain from plants alone (B12, retinol, EPA, DHA, etc.).

      Unless the other numerous comments you’ve left are actually legitimate, I will not be responding to them. You have literally made up information and it only clouds the conversation.

      • “Lierre Keith doesn’t say meat is 100x more nutrient dense than vegetable matter. You said that. Just now. Nowhere in her book or writings has she said this.” – semantically you are correct, as far as I know, it’s not in her writings, however she actually ‘says’ it here:

        Listen to Lierre Keith at 11:22: https://youtu.be/oMuxgAbHgJA

  31. I stumbled on this site because I’d enjoyed the Beyond Burger patty and decided to try the Beyond Beef Crumble. The burger patty by far was more tasty and savory. I am not a vegan, or vegetarian, but I enjoy eating all types of healthy food without offering too harsh a judgement or the emotional baggage. I enjoy supporting local organic farmers meat or veggie … ?. Truth is … your body will except the foods your spirit will allow, thus the reason some people flourish with meat and sone without. We’re spendfing far too much time on what WE think others “should” be eating … when each of us knows deep inside what works well enough to our own liking. If organic farm raised eating makes one feel great then that is the true path set for that individual … however if that same person feels unwell or unfullfilled physically or emotionally, they can rest assured, there is another food solution. I respect it all … and enjoy my marvelous relationship with food and the universe.

  32. In General, society is scared of disruptors, like Beyond Meat, and this is a perfect example. Beyond Meat is changing the way we think, and eat. The investors behind this are disruptors and are changing the world. They are not doing it by stale ideas ie “grass fed beef.” Grow up and evolve, if you have a small child they may need science to create healthy foods when “grass fed beef” no longer exists

    • dani Reply

      So we should grow our food in labs instead of nature? This is the ignorant, disconnected way of thinking that absolutely scares me.

      Food should come from local, sustainable, organic farmers. NOT the food industry, not labs, not scientists, not Beyond Meat.

  33. Dani, I can promise it is them not you. I personally find your article and subsequent comments reasonable. You are frustrated at the bizarre reaction and comments. Sorry about that. It looks like you got bombarded by the Vegetarian version of Antifa.

    • And many people do not. So it’s not an us and them situation. It’s just a difference of opinion. There are many meat eaters in the respondents, I am one too, I just don’t do it much any more. I suspect we are all a long way away from being “The Vegetarian version of Antifa” whatever that might be!

      This the trap our leaders are wanting us to fall into, distinct, non-overlapping, defined groups, finding the differences not the commonality. Divide and conquer, there is only one true path!

  34. Ya know, when you write a piece like this and get zero support rom your readers, you might consider it to be an opportunity to expand your thinking rather than evidence that you’re smart and we’re idiots.
    I wrote and published a book on food additives and it’s clear that you’ve cherry picked your citings to support a hypothesis. To be taken seriously – and to grow as a writer and critical thinker – I recommend taking the approach of doing your research to disprove your theories and predetermintations. Both you and your readers will learn a whole lot more. Now gobahead and slam me 🙂

    • dani Reply

      I’ve received a lot of support from my readers. I don’t think I’m smart and you all are idiots – I don’t think that at all.

      If you’ve published a book on food additives, you would be able to recognize that there are numerous, and harmful, food additives in these products. That is a simple fact that I backed up with a lot of legitimate information.

  35. I’ll jump on the bandwagon when they come out with beyond pork chops. Everyone should take it easy on Dani, she provided important facts that do need to be addressed & we all should have some appreciation for her time and effort needed to put this significant forum together. Plus she acknowledged the fact that she needs to work on belittling people without them knowing, LOL, keep up the good work Dani.

  36. you are one dumb bitch lol
    sorry, I won’t waste more time on your gibberish

  37. I’m a proud omnivore that enjoyed your article. It’s important to be mindful of what we eat and where it comes from. I enjoy meat substitutes like beyond meat, seitan, tofu, tempeh, etc, but more for a change of pace than a nutritional reliance.

    Reading some of these comments has led me to conclude that vegans are missing chromosomes and that they should have been naturally-selected out of the gene pool.

  38. You seem to pick and choose parts of studies to promote your way of thinking. Just looking at the first study you linked under “Soy Protein Isolate” https://academic.oup.com/humrep/article/23/11/2584/2913898 you leave out everything that doesn’t fit with your agenda. Examples below.

    “Soy food and isoflavone intakes were unrelated to total sperm count, ejaculate volume, sperm motility or sperm morphology in these analyses.”

    “The association between isoflavones and sperm concentration was similar but did not reach statistical significance in these analyses either. As was the case in the univariate analyses, there were no associations between soy foods or isoflavones and total sperm count, ejaculate volume, sperm motility or morphology in the multivariate analyses.”

    “The most important limitation of the study is the fact that it is a cross-sectional and observational study which limits our ability to determine causality.”

    “The clinical significance of these findings remains to be determined. Owing to the scarcity of human data in this area, it is very important that this issue is examined further, ideally in randomized trials.”

    Give the full facts, not just the ones that fit your agenda and let people decide on their own. I’m sure I could find omissions and falsely drawn conclusions from your other segments but ain’t nobody got time for that.

    • dani Reply

      And yet, the scientisist concluded that:

      “There was an inverse association between soy food intake and sperm concentration that remained significant after accounting for age, abstinence time, body mass index, caffeine and alcohol intake and smoking.”

      and

      “These data suggest that higher intake of soy foods and soy isoflavones is associated with lower sperm concentration.”

      Studies cannot account for every aspect of what they are examining. Which is why I provided numerous studies. And also this one still clearly supports my “agenda.”

  39. First time I’ve come across a “nutritionist” who was so adamant about meat consumption… And attacking posters. I would recommend reading The China Study, which is required reading for anyone who has studied nutrition comprehensively.

  40. I’m all for new information but curious how you came to this conclusion? None of the ingredients listed that you attributed to beyond meat or the beyond burger are actually in the beyond meat product. They are soy free. Gluten free and carageenen Free products. ??

    • dani Reply

      There are several Beyond Meat Products. This information is all within the article.

  41. Do you have suggestions for alternatives? I am not a vegetarian for the health benefits, I’m a vegetarian for the moral benefits. Trust me when I say, I LOVE meat. I LOVE a good burger, bbq pulled pork, ribs etc etc. My mouth is watering as I type. But I just couldn’t do it anymore. Most of your suggestion is to buy meat locally- okay. I get that. But I found Beyond the Meat because I don’t eat meat.

    Is your only suggestion to just buy meats and vegetables, locally? I need a meat alternative, and right now- I was so excited to find Beyond the Meat. However, in your professional opinion if you recommend an alternative I am all ears.

    • dani Reply

      I recommend finding a local, grass-fed farmer who raises animals in a sustainable manner and kills them humanely.

  42. Author is incorrect on many levels. Grass fed beef is not sustainable. In fact, it takes more water to raise grass fed animals. Also, no matter what your farming practices are, animals and farming practices still produce waste. Where does the waste go? Our oceans — our water! And yeast extract is NOT the same as MSG. What a bunch of bull shit!

    • dani Reply

      Agriculture is what is draining our aquafiers – not grass-fed beef. Please consider how much water it takes to hydrate the millions upon millions of acres of monocrops that are staples in a plant based diet: soy, corn and wheat.

      Furthermore – saying waste from the cows pollutes our ocean really demonstrates your ignorance on this topic. Manure from cows literally builds topsoil, while monocrops destroy it and pull nutrients from the soil until it’s completely depleted. Manure puts nutrients into the soil. What pollutes our oceans is the fertilizer runoff from these monocrops, which have created a deadzone in the Gulf the size of Delaware. That’s not from grass-fed beef; that’s from the massive amount of chemical fertilizers sprayed on these monocrops. Something vegans seem to ignore. Let’s consider the amount of sea life killed to sustain this type of plant based diet.

      Lastly, it’s pretty well known that yeast extract is another term the food industry uses for MSG. So you should probably reexamine what you think it bullshit.

  43. oh, and a couple of things I would like to hear your specific answer on hoping that you might correct the mistakes in an update to the article.

    1. The Caramel Colour used in Beyond Meat products is Class I – E150a (I emailed the company about it and then cross-checked with a nutritional PhD friend of mine at Manchester University) contains and uses no sulfites or ammonia in its production.

    2. The Canola Oil thing. I think someone mentioned this to you and as it’s Expeller Pressed, the video you have above is totally misleading in this case, it bears no relation to how this form of Canola Oil is made. No chemicals are used in this form of Canola Oil. I use it all the time, it’s lovely.

    3. You are just completely wrong to correlate the chemically and artificially manufactured MSG with Yeast Extract. I’m sure you know this. It’s an easy thing to verify. Whether MSG is or is not a good thing has no relevance to the Beyond products as far as I can tell, unless they are just lying and stick it in anyway. But Yeast Extract is definitely not MSG.

    Regarding Carrageenan, you are citing quite an old study which Helen (my PhD friend) says was largely debunked by a more recent study by Dr James M McKim, Jr. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25640528

    “Not only was McKim unable to replicate the negative effects Tobacman has reported, his research showed carrageenan has no measurable effects on cells and provides strong evidence that carrageenan consumed in foods and beverages would not cause inflammation in humans.”

    So for this maybe a slight modification of the “all but guarantees it’s going to…” line might be helpful in the interest of balance for your readers.

    That leaves Soy (which is highly debatable but there are many studies that do question it’s health benefits) and Titanium dioxide, the danger of which is dependent on the size of the particles. I’ve emailed Beyond Meat to see if they can give us some clarification on this, but haven’t heard anything back yet.

    • dani Reply

      1 – Even if it does not contain ammonia or sulfites (which I’m not agreeing with), caramel color is still a dangerous, processed food additive. It may contain 4-methylimidazole (a carcinogen), not to mention the fact that it’s simply a processed food linked to cancer and should just be avoided. Why am I even debating this?

      2 – Even if the canola oil is extracted without hexane – it’s still an extremely processed food. It is still bleached and deodorized because canola oil is a rancid, highly processed industrial oil. Again, why am I even debating this? These are clearly food byproducts that should be avoided. These are not whole, healthy foods. Obviously.

      3 – Yeast extract is just another name for MSG. This is well known in the food industry. Naturally occurring glutamate, like that found in tomatoes, is fine to consume. Chemically processed monosodium glutamate, not so much.

      4 – I referenced numerous studied linking carrageenan to numerous health issues. Just because a study is more recent does not mean it’s more accurate. The only thing your provided study states is that carrageenan does not bind to TLR4 and is not cytotoxic to HEK293 cells. Which I’m not agreeing with, but this is one tiny study versus numerous well established studies linking carrageen to cancer and intestinal issues. Here’s one linking carrageenan to insulin resistance: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25784556

      And yet another one linking carrageenan to impaired glucose tolerance and inflammation: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22011715

      There are tons of others, in addition to what I’ve listed here as well as in the article. There is well established data proving that carrageenan is linked to numerous health issues. At the very least, it’s an easy food additive to avoid. Unless of course, you’re regularly consuming Beyond Meat products.

      I’m not entirely sure why anyone would argue so hard in favor of such processed food, especially processed food with well established information linking it to numerous health issues.

  44. I’ll just take the one and leave it after that, because this is such bad misinformation I feel your readers need the clarification (if they’ve got this far!)

    “3 – Yeast extract is just another name for MSG. This is well known in the food industry. Naturally occurring glutamate, like that found in tomatoes, is fine to consume. Chemically processed monosodium glutamate, not so much.”

    No. It. Isn’t. Not that it particularly matters, the main issue with people hating on MSG is that it’s added in over-large quantities to so many foods and takes over any other flavours. But Yeast Extract it isn’t. (And MSG occurs naturally as well). They are similar, sure, but they are not the same thing.

    Yeast extract is made from yeast, usually, often brewers yeast.

    MSG, as you know, was originally extracted from seaweed. But these days instead of extracting and crystallizing MSG from seaweed broth, MSG is produced by the fermentation of starch, sugar beets, sugar cane or molasses. This fermentation process is similar to that used to make yogurt, vinegar and wine.

    The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) requires products that contain MSG to state this on the label. Foods that contain yeast extract don’t need to specify that they contain MSG. Beyond Meat clearly states that their products do not contain MSG, they could be lying I suppose, but they’d be wide open to being sued.

    I’m not interested in playing the game of my scientists are better than your scientists, all I’m trying to show is that things really aren’t as cut and dried as you make them out to be. This absolutist rhetoric is not particularly helpful for people trying to make an informed choice.

  45. Hmmm…Author, you would certainly change your views on eating cows and pigs if you were to die and come back as a cow or a pig. You would think n hurt and suffer. Because they do “think” n hurt n suffer. Also, if the state of our own health and our planet (severe weather changes, natural disasters) and all the scientific reports don’t ring clear enough to you as FACT, then i have to believe you are completely misguided. You have dissected the Beyond burger in effort to expose it as unhealthy. Not so much in effort to find the truth. So many foods out there can be dissected this same way and the findings would result worse health risks than the vegan burger. Eating animals, no matter how they were fed when they lived, is beyond unecessary, cruel and harmful to our own existance. It is clear that Karma is real .. hence the cancer epidemic, clogged arteries from cow, pig and chicken cholesterol causing us heart disease, strokes, tumor masses, failing kidneys and more. Eating grass fed animas is good for no one. Eating the GRASS, well that’s a sensable thing! You are missing the big picture Mr. author.

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